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Frum: Republican Waterloo
moderatevoice ^ | March 21, 2010 | JOE WINDISH

Posted on 03/22/2010 5:53:57 AM PDT by ironangel

Former Bush speechwriter David Frum says it’s hard to exaggerate the magnitude of the GOP disaster. And he blames this “most crushing legislative defeat since the 1960s” on conservatives and Republicans:

At the beginning of this process we made a strategic decision: unlike, say, Democrats in 2001 when President Bush proposed his first tax cut, we would make no deal with the administration. No negotiations, no compromise, nothing. We were going for all the marbles. This would be Obama’s Waterloo – just as healthcare was Clinton’s in 1994.

Only, the hardliners overlooked a few key facts: Obama was elected with 53% of the vote, not Clinton’s 42%. The liberal block within the Democratic congressional caucus is bigger and stronger than it was in 1993-94. And of course the Democrats also remember their history, and also remember the consequences of their 1994 failure.

When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests. What he omitted to say – but what is equally true – is that he also wants Republicans to fail. If Republicans succeed – if they govern successfully in office and negotiate attractive compromises out of office – Rush’s listeners get less angry. And if they are less angry, they listen to the radio less, and hear fewer ads for Sleepnumber beds.

So today’s defeat for free-market economics and Republican values is a huge win for the conservative entertainment industry. Their listeners and viewers will now be even more enraged, even more frustrated, even more disappointed in everybody except the responsibility-free talkers on television and radio. For them, it’s mission accomplished. For the cause they purport to represent, it’s Waterloo all right: ours.

Do you think maybe we’ll see the re-emergence of some moderate Republicans?

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To: ironangel

Riiight!!Obama and the libtards are totally blameless in this battle because the Republicans were not bipartisan enough.


41 posted on 03/22/2010 6:17:42 AM PDT by crazyhorse691 (Now that the libs are in power dissent is not only unpatriotic, but, it is also racist.)
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To: ansel12

Yep Ironangle looks to be just another Moveon.org Faux “Conservative”


42 posted on 03/22/2010 6:17:54 AM PDT by MNJohnnie ("The trouble with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples' money" Lady Thatcher)
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To: ironangel
Do you think maybe we’ll see the re-emergence of some moderate Republicans?

"Moderate" Republicans are the reason we have reached this point in the first place. What rock has Frum been living under for the past six years?
43 posted on 03/22/2010 6:19:58 AM PDT by 84rules ( Ooh-Rah! Semper Fi!)
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To: ironangel

Frum = Is a COMMIE


44 posted on 03/22/2010 6:20:06 AM PDT by Three if by government
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To: ironangel

Whose side is Frum on?


45 posted on 03/22/2010 6:20:14 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: rbg81

People have been saying things like this about Rush for years. Rush’s popularity just keeps on growing.


46 posted on 03/22/2010 6:22:52 AM PDT by ShandaLear (The price of Obamacare? 30 pieces of silver.)
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To: ironangel

This is such cr*p! Rush doesn’t need any more money you jerk!


47 posted on 03/22/2010 6:25:59 AM PDT by italyconservative (So ready for 2010! Takin' it to the streets!)
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To: ironangel

What is left unsaid by the rats taking over healthcare cannot be posted.


48 posted on 03/22/2010 6:27:52 AM PDT by SouthTexas (Congress is out of order!)
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To: ironangel
This is an idiotic article that is only matched by your equally idiotic comment.

Clearly you do NOT listen to Limbaugh. Limbaugh doesn't need ratings, nor does he need any more money...he could quit now and live quite comfortably off of his earnings. Your understanding of what motivates Limbaugh is baseless.

We've been stung by the Obamacare vote, so you hop on your computer the next morning and do what? Try to initiate in-fighting? Try to start some finger pointing?

49 posted on 03/22/2010 6:27:56 AM PDT by kidd (Obama: The triumph of hope over evidence)
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To: ironangel
Frum likes the frog in the pot technique. Put a frog in a pot of water, turn on the heat, frog adjusts, keep adding heat, frog adjust to point of death.

Frum prefers conservatives act like frogs and cede ground, take ground, but slowly we are pulled to the left. That is moderation. Standing up for doing what is best for our country or .....eureka!...the constitution is a detriment. I think we have played nice far too long.

50 posted on 03/22/2010 6:28:45 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: WashingtonSource
David Frum is a nudnick, idiotic, quisling, man of no principle, easily duped, and pawn of the left. And he’s a poofter, to boot.

No, he's a Democrat who infiltrated the Republican party with designs to cause as much havoc as possible.

Leftist Fascism is a religion. I don't think it's too much to believe that there are people willing to live amongst their enemies in an effort to destroy them.

51 posted on 03/22/2010 6:29:02 AM PDT by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: ironangel
I am not an admirer of Rush Limbaugh's character, though I am of his incisive ability to analyze and crystallize and verbalize.

Having said that, I think Frum's slander is completely unwarranted. Rush isn't hurting. I don't think he wants any such thing. Oh yeah, he'll profit by it, and he'll use it; but I do think he loves his country, and sincerely wanted this to fail.

52 posted on 03/22/2010 6:29:05 AM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: ironangel

Frum in a Canadian, he has never had America’s best interests at heart.


53 posted on 03/22/2010 6:29:41 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: DJ MacWoW

A nut? That’s only the half of it!


54 posted on 03/22/2010 6:30:51 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: ironangel

“frum”: a four-letter epithet and obscenity.


55 posted on 03/22/2010 6:31:11 AM PDT by windsorknot
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To: MNJohnnie; ironangel
Yep Ironangle looks to be just another Moveon.org Faux “Conservative”

Take a moment to read his ten posts since 1999, everyone of them is anti-conservative and troll-like, just like this one.

56 posted on 03/22/2010 6:31:19 AM PDT by ansel12 (Social liberal politicians in the GOP are easy for the left to turn, why is that?)
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To: ironangel
When Rush Limbaugh said that he wanted President Obama to fail, he was intelligently explaining his own interests.

Spare us the two bit analysis.
57 posted on 03/22/2010 6:33:22 AM PDT by Vision ("Did I not say to you that if you would believe, you would see the glory of God?" John 11:40)
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To: kidd
This is an idiotic article that is only matched by your equally idiotic comment.???

Huh? NOT MY COMMENT, it was Frum's...now apologize for your rudeness! Reading is fundamental, BTW.

58 posted on 03/22/2010 6:33:58 AM PDT by ironangel
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To: ironangel

What a jerk. You can’t “compromise” with evil, and attempts to do so (by idiots like McCain) were exactly what lost us the presidential race, among other things.

If there had been no compromise, there would have been a clear choice and people would have known what to do. But the Frum-style blurring of the boundaries led to confusion and despair.


59 posted on 03/22/2010 6:34:17 AM PDT by livius
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To: ironangel
THIS is what every helpless American patient now faces
because of Frum/Romney and Obama and the DNC. Thank you, all.

And a tip of the hat to Mitt Romney
for having invented the first of the abominations in the new OBAMACARE/ROMNEYCARE.
TAXes disguised as FEES. GO MITT GO. Very creative.

NEW TAXES: The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead) Page 203 Line 14-15
NEW TAXES: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.Page 167 Lines 18-23

NEW TAXES: New Medicare taxes on individuals earning more than $200,000 a year
and couples filing jointly earning more than $250,000 a year.
NEW TAXES: Tax on wages rises to 2.35% from 1.45%.
NEW TAXES: New 3.8% tax on unearned income such as dividends and interest.
NEW TAXES: Excise tax of 2.9% imposed on sale of medical devices.
NEW TAXES: Drug makers face annual fee of $2.5 billion (rises in subsequent years).


DEATH -PANEL: Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions). Page 280 Sec 1151
DEATH -PANEL: Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.) Page 425 Lines 4-12
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!) Page 430 Lines 11-15
DEATH-PANEL: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing! Page 272 SEC. 1145
DEATH-PANEL: GOVT COMMITTEE decides what treatments/benefits you get Page 30 Sec 123
DEATH-PANEL: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!) Page 427 Lines 15-24
DEATH-PANEL: Rationing Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans Page 85 Line 7
DEATH-PANEL: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.) Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.Page 494-498 DEATH-PANEL: Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you Page 42
DEATH-PANEL: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates. Page 429 Lines 1-9 DEATH-PANEL: HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED Page 29 lines 4-16
DEATH-PANEL: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?) Page 429 Lines 10-12
DEATH-PANEL: Govt mandates establishment of outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.) Page 335 L16-25 Pg 336-339
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable! Page 354 Sec 1177
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.) Page 239 Line 14-24
DEATH-PANEL: GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!) Page 429 Lines 13-25
DEATH-PANEL: Rationing Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!) Page 85 Line 7
DEATH-PANEL: Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!) Page 425 Lines 17-19:

ACORN: Payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & ACORN Page 65 Sec 164
ACORN: Govt will use ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan. Page 95
ACORN: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations, ACORN Medical Services Page 469

Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.Page 127 Lines 1-16
Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! Page 241 Line 6-8
Doctors: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!) Page 317 L 13-20
Doctors: Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.) Page 253 Line 10-18
Doctors: Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?) Page 379 Sec 1191
Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you. Page 298 Lines 9-11

Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! Page 149 Lines 16-24
Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!) Page 145 Line 15-17
Employer with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.Page 150 Lines 9-13
Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees AND their families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.) Page 126 Lines 22-25
Employers: Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure - Page 22
Employers: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly. page 12 4 lines 24-25
Employers: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.' Page 84 Sec 203

HOSPITALS: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.) Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3

ILLEGALS: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)Page 170 Lines 1-3
ILLEGALS: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise. Page 50 Section 152
ILLEGALS: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (illegal aliens.) Page 91 Lines 4-7

MARRIAGE: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so the government can 'deduct' their fees from your bank account)Page 195
MARRIAGE: Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. Page 489 Sec 1308
MARRIAGE: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. Page 59 lines 21-24:
MARRIAGE: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & 'National ID Health card' - Page 58

MONOPOLY: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan) Page 341 Lines 3-9
MONOPOLY: Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries. Page 265 Sec 1131
MONOPOLY: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. Page 102 Lines 12-18
MONOPOLY: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?) Page 321 2-13.





60 posted on 03/22/2010 6:34:53 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." --Thomas Jefferson)
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