Posted on 03/13/2010 11:01:06 AM PST by opentalk
House leaders have scheduled a vote for next Friday or Saturday according to Politico on ObamaCare. Reports indicate that House leaders are planning to pass ObamaCare without a vote. Assistant to the Speaker Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) advised Democrats not to talk about the procedure to pass the bill. Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) has come up with a very complicated procedure to get ObamaCare to the President’s desk without House members having to vote directly on the bill.
So much for the Constitution that says that a bill does not become a law until the House and Senate pass identical bills, and then the President signs that legislation.
Chris Frates at Politico writes about a Van Hollen leaked memo to Democrats:
--The office of Rep. Chris Van Hollen, who is the assistant to Speaker Pelosi, sent a memo to Democratic staffers today telling them to clear members’ schedule for next weekend, saying a vote could come as early as Friday or Saturday, and noting that it was no coincidence that President Obama pushed back his trip abroad from March 18 to March 21st.
For those of you who didn’t believe the liberals in Congress were crazy enough to push forward with ObamaCareafter poll numbers continue to indicate that a vote for this bill is political death for many moderate Democrats, it is time to believe it. President Obama has delayed a trip overseas to continue this lobbying and PR campaign for his government centered approach to comprehensive health care reform for a reason. Pelosi has scheduled a vote for late next week after weeks of negotiating a procedure to pass the bill within the caucus. This is ObamaCare’s last stand with the President and Pelosi pulling out all the stops to get it passed.
It is not suprising that Van Hollen advised members to avoid any talk about the unconstitutional manner in which they are considering to pass the bill.
-- The Van Hollen memo also advised members to avoid talking about the process. “At this point, we have to just rip the band-aid off and have a vote — up or down; yes or no? Things like reconciliation and what the rules committee does is INSIDE BASEBALL,” the memo says. “People who try and start arguments about process on this are almost always against the actual policy substance too, often times for purely political reasons.”
The Constitution clearly states that the House and Senate have to pass a bill before it is send to the President. (See Article 1, Section 7) The House is expected to take up a rule that will deem the Senate passed version of ObamaCare to be passed without a vote upon a condition. The House will be drafting up a reconciliation measure to amend ObamaCare in a manner that avoids a Senate filibuster and skirts the requirement that reconciliation measures reconcile existing law to help balance the budget. This is all very complicated, but the bottom line is that Dems in the House have come up with a procedure to pass ObamaCare while protecting moderate Dems by avoiding a direct vote on the bill.
---2. I continue to encourage all of you not to get into debates about process and to try and persuade your Member not to get into process arguments either. At this point, we have to just rip the band-aid off and have a vote -- up or down--
Agree, we should never have let them get this far to begin with. Time to move outside your comfort zone. REFUSE to pay a cent in taxes, fines or anything to do with the bill, if it passes. I can assure you, national revolt or strike will have them cowering in corners.
He also alluded to a cover-up of how bad the economy really is.
AMEN !
Agree. And I have it on good authority that the actual plan is to take a page from the great Emancipator Abraham Lincoln. Barak is going to surprise everyone and issue his Health Care Emancipation Proclamation. And just as with Lincoln's proclamation no Congressional action is even necessary! I have included the text below.
By the President of the United States of America:
A Proclamation.
Whereas, on the twentieth day of March, in the year of our Lord two thousand and ten, a proclamation was issued by the President of the United States, containing, among other things, the following, to wit:
"That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand and eleven, all healthcare within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be represented by a Democrat, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free; and the Executive Government of the United States, including the military and naval authority thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of such healthcare, and will do no act or acts to repress such persons, or any of them, in any efforts they may make for their actual healthcare.
"That the Executive will, on the first day of January aforesaid, by proclamation, designate the States and parts of States, if any, in which the people thereof, respectively, shall then be represented by Democrats; and the fact that any State, or the people thereof, shall on that day be, in good faith, represented in the Congress of the United States by members chosen thereto at elections wherein a majority of the qualified voters of such State shall have participated, shall, in the absence of strong countervailing testimony, be deemed conclusive evidence that such State, and the people thereof, are represented by Democrats."
Now, therefore I, Barak Hussein Obama, President of the United States, by virtue of the power in me vested as Commander-in-Chief, of the Army and Navy of the United States in time of actual health care crisis affecting the government of the United States, and as a fit and necessary measure for suppressing private property, do, on this first day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand and eleven, and in accordance with my purpose so to do publicly proclaimed for the full period of one hundred days, from the day first above mentioned, order and designate as the States and parts of States wherein the people thereof respectively, are this day represented by Democrats, the following, to wit:
All the blue ones.
And by virtue of the power, and for the purpose aforesaid, I do order and declare that all healthcare within said designated States, and parts of States, are, and henceforward shall be free; and that the Executive government of the United States, including the military and naval authorities thereof, will recognize and maintain the freedom of said healthcare.
And I hereby enjoin upon the healthcare so declared to be free to abstain from all payment, unless in necessary self-interest; and I recommend to them that, in all cases when allowed, they labor faithfully for reasonable wages.
And I further declare and make known, that such persons of suitable condition, will be received into the healthcare plan of the United States to get whatever healthcare they want, and to get treatments of all sorts in said health service.
And upon this act, sincerely believed to be an act of justice, warranted by the Constitution, upon military necessity, I invoke the considerate judgment of mankind, and the gracious favor of Almighty God.
In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the City of Washington, this first day of January, in the year of our Lord two thousand and eleven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred thirty fourth.
By the President: Barak Hussein Obama Hillary Rodman Clinton, Secretary of State.
Orrin Hatch said that? We’re doomed. He’s usually the first to roll over for the Dems after he makes a definitive declaration like that.
I think you are right. Which would look worse in a political attack ad:
1) A vote for a healthcare bill that has provisions that are probably unconstitutional
2) A vote for a rule that is not only clearly unconstitutional, but also antitheical to our system of government. In addition, those who vote for this rule will hardly be able to claim that they would have voted against Obamacare.
If this happens..all he^& needs to break loose....
We.the. People are gonna be forced into going down into the gates of he%^ itself on Capitol Hill and show our employees personally and in exquisite detail, their JOB DESCRIPTION.....READING and VOTING on legislation.
Sorry,i don’t buy it. Once more,if they could,they would. Why wait till next week?
This is the beginning of a dictatorship -
And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion
A home and a country should leave us no more?
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
O, thus be it ever when freemen shall stand,
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause. it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust"
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
But I must admit the author, of La Mareseillaise, Claude-Joseph Rouget de Lisle, did have a way with words,
Let's go children of the fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us tyranny's
Bloody flag is raised!
In the countryside, do you hear
The roaring of these fierce soldiers?
They come right to our arms
To slit the throats of our sons, our friends!
Grab your weapons, citizens! (Aux armes citoyens...!)
v Form your batallions!
Let us march! Let us march! May impure blood
Water our fields!
(If you check out the link you will find they are running buses. What to bet your tax dollars are at the bottom of it all)
Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively, If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournament [sic from online PDF source] prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
You appear to have a novel understanding of the English language. This paragraph lists three distinct specific instances where a bill must be "passed" by one house or the other (or both).
First, the initial passage. Second, on veto, in the originating house. Third, subsequent to veto and override in the originating house, in the non-originating house.
Then the phrase "But in all such Cases" enters the stadium, which clearly refers to the initial passage, or to the post-veto override alike, unless the definition of "all" has become merely "some".
From the language, it is clear to me that the recorded vote applies to initial passage just the same as override.
We need to fit her for an orange jumpsuit!
Well, Janet Reno's thugs took Elian Gonzalez out of the loving arms of his family on Holy Saturday while most of the nation was busy dying Easter eggs. Nothing was done about this illegal act and an innocent 6 year old child was returned to a Communist Hell-hole to grow up as an enemy of this nation.
I won’t say nothing happened. Al Gore lost Florida, and GW Bush became president.
This proves that the Democrat leadership is fully aware that what they are doing is un-Constitutional. This is a willful act of subversion.
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