[Three if by government]

My point is that these two issues dont hold water and I believe it was a tactic used by the left to discourage conservatism and its values.

[OCCASparky]

I agree wholeheartedly with your point—that’s just par for the course when dealing with the loopy left—they don’t debate or use facts and logic, but just tear their opponent down with the most base (and baseless) tactics they can.