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FIRST TIME IN U.S. HISTORY THAT A SITTING PRESIDENT’S ELIGIBILITY QUESTIONED BY MEMBER OF CONGRESS
The Post & Email ^ | Jan. 5, 2010 | P. Patriot

Posted on 01/06/2010 6:30:17 AM PST by SvenMagnussen

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To: Red Steel
“Gee, why won’t Obama just submit his birth certificate in a court of law?”

Because courts don't accept documents they haven't asked for, particularly to make a decision on the outcome of a case they haven't yet accepted as appropriate. I gather that you have no actual comprehension of legal processes. But courts don't want and won't accept documents for determining the validity of a posed question before standing is established, a case is established, and they request them.

Asking Obama to do something that the Court won't accept or use as a determination for anything is nonsensical. It's not a valid counterpoint to anything. It may even be, dare I say it, a non sequitur.

Perhaps you should rewatch “My Cousin Vinny” for that lecture the judge gives Joe Pesci during the arraignment.

541 posted on 01/07/2010 4:14:30 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: curiosity
Because no court has asked him for it.

Because it's damning to his presidency.

542 posted on 01/07/2010 4:16:02 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: tired_old_conservative
Because courts don't accept documents they haven't asked for, particularly to make a decision on the outcome of a case they haven't yet accepted as appropriate. I gather that you have no actual comprehension of legal processes. But courts don't want and won't accept documents for determining the validity of a posed question before standing is established, a case is established, and they request them.

Dishonesty is what you like in a president. An honest president would without question submit it to a court to put this matter to an end, but Obama is not honest. It's a simple thing to do as submit a birth certificate to a court.

The non-sequitur nonsense what you guys do ...for all to see.

543 posted on 01/07/2010 4:22:19 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: curiosity
I am aware of only two: the UPI article, and an article in a high school student newsletter. If you are aware of others, please do point them out. Otherwise, kindly stop claiming that multiple news outlets were made this error.

When I say there's more than UPI's article or the newsletter there's is more. You are easy.

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"Kenya's East African Standard, in an Aug. 24, 2006, article titled "From Young 'Barry' to Top American Senator," previously said of Obama: "The Harvard Law School and Columbia University graduate was born at the Queen's Medical Centre in Honolulu in Hawaii, where his parents were studying at the East-West Centre of the University of Hawaii in Manoa."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=104292

544 posted on 01/07/2010 4:39:39 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
LOL. The East African Standard!

Now that's an major paper! The very crem de la crem of global journalism! /sarcasm

Did you ever stop to think why it was only the obscure news outlets staffed by hacks that got the hospital of birth wrong?

Why is it you can't find the same error in oulets like the Associated Press, the New York Slimes, the Wall Street Journal, or Washington Post?

545 posted on 01/07/2010 5:03:37 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Red Steel
An honest president would without question submit it to a court to put this matter to an end, but Obama is not honest

That may well be true, and I agree that Obama isn't an honest man.

Unfortunately, though, honesty isn't a presidential eligibility requirement.

546 posted on 01/07/2010 5:05:04 PM PST by curiosity
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To: SvenMagnussen

The Obots are scared to death of Barry spending $10 and showing a long form. Simple request met with excuses galore and backpedaling. Real simple, real devastating! Trust us, you will know fear.


547 posted on 01/07/2010 5:39:38 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: curiosity

“So you’re saying Obama fraudulantly registered his own birth when he was a week old?”

You know that’s just the kind of crap he’d try....


548 posted on 01/07/2010 6:16:01 PM PST by El Sordo
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To: candeee; Non-Sequitur

Thank you for submitting the abuse report regarding #536.
Non-Sequitur is not a troll and we will not be banning him as you requested.


549 posted on 01/07/2010 6:49:19 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Red Steel
“Dishonesty is what you like in a president. An honest president would without question submit it to a court to put this matter to an end, but Obama is not honest. It's a simple thing to do as submit a birth certificate to a court.”

Dishonesty appear to be the hallmark of your character. You don't understand legal processes even after they have been explained to you, you make that self-evident by repeating the same folksy gibberish talking point over and over, and you ultimately have no other recourse than to attack others for your own failings. It's simply a repeat of the silly newspaper error discussion with Curiosity where he is obviously the lucid participant engaging his faculties.

If you would like a President with intellectual honesty, perhaps you should practice that attribute yourself first.

550 posted on 01/07/2010 7:18:29 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: Non-Sequitur; Red Steel
... he acknowledges that some doubt.(sic)

No, he -- Chief Justice Waite -- "acknowledges" a lot of doubt.

He uses the word doubt TWO times in referring to those that hold the view -- that you yourself ADMITTEDLY hold -- that one born in the united states, with a foreign national, for his/her father, is a Natural Born Citizen.

However -- as you have indicated to ALL on this forum -- the Question of Obama's citizenship is, in your OPINION, settled law.

By the way, when Justice Waite writes about the opinion YOU hold he uses the term "SOME" authorities... etc.

Do you understand the import of the word SOME in logic?

When Justice Waite writes about the opinion "Birthers" hold -- born in the country of citizen parents (PLURAL)-- he says (Paraphrase) "of this class there has never been doubt," meanining, ALL (not SOME) agree: that one born in the country, of citizen parents(Plural)are Natural Born citizens.

Your "opinion" is, indeed, the minority one!

Does that mean that your minority view is necessarily wrong?

NO!

However, it does mean that YOUR "opinion" as to what makes a Natural Born Citizen (born in country with a foreign national for father)is in a state of uncertainty, or DOUBT; whereas, the "opinion" of the birthers (born in country, both parents citizens)is certain, or -- as Chief Justice Waite said (paraphrase) -- "of this class there can be NO doubt!

Thus, Birthers are on solid ground where the "opinion" of anti-birthers are fraught with doubt!

In review of the above it would seem that the onus would be on those with the shaky position to prove their case, rather than the ones -- whom ALL authorities agree -- are on solid ground.

I'm afraid that born in the country to two citizen parents(NO DOUBT AS TO NATURAL BORN STATUS)trumps born in country with a foreign national for father.(DOUBTS AS TO NATURAL BORN STATUS)

We're done here...

STE=Q

551 posted on 01/07/2010 7:24:28 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: Canadian Outrage
He’s not a friend of the United States period. He’s using the United States, exploiting everything she has, lining his own pockets, and all the while, his goal is to destroy her. A very very bad time in history for sure.

Yes, a true crisis time for the USA, and secondarily, Canada. As we go, so goes Western Civilization. This is going to be a challenging year. One good thing, the American people have 10 months to get educated about Obama and discover everything the MSM covered up before the election and the manufactured financial crisis that put him over the top. Cloward-Piven, the New Party, his Marxist mentors, . on and on. Everyone should be fully informed by November, 2010. We all can do our part - pass on those informative emails, join patriot groups, back conservatives that are running in November. A very big year in our history indeed. . .

552 posted on 01/07/2010 7:40:38 PM PST by Art in Idaho
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To: Red Steel

Thank you for the heads up on the obdurate minds of the Obama apologists that populate this thread.

Might as well talk to a brick wall!

See post #551.

STE=Q


553 posted on 01/07/2010 7:49:48 PM PST by STE=Q ("It is the duty of the patriot to protect his country from its government" ... Thomas Paine)
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To: candeee

Like their hero 0bama, they think the Constitution is just a piece of old paper, quite flawed, actually.


554 posted on 01/07/2010 7:52:36 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: Red Steel

This is a very interesting thread. Been kind of quiet as far as the 0bama toe suckers lately, now - whammo! - they’re all one board, even ones that only would be occasional.

Something must be up at headquarters.

I am sure that the truth will come out eventually. IMO that will be when some of those who know get scared and don’t want to go down with the ship.

Time will tell. And I can tell right now that the 0bama toe suckers are getting nervous. It stinks up this thread, right now! Fear has a certain stench.

There are undoubtedly those who know the facts, perhaps quite a goodly number.


555 posted on 01/07/2010 7:58:55 PM PST by little jeremiah (Asato Ma Sad Gamaya Tamaso Ma Jyotir Gamaya)
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To: tired_old_conservative
Dishonesty appear to be the hallmark of your character. You don't understand legal processes even after they have been explained to you, you make that self-evident by repeating the same folksy gibberish talking point over and over,...

Dishonesty is a description of your character not mine.

Drop the court procedure BS that Obama hides behind.Only a few minutes are needed in court about him being born in Hawaii if he would just showed a court of law his Hawaiian birth certificate. Your total implacability defending Obama for a simple request that a mere child has to do on occasions paints you in a bad light.

It's simply a repeat of the silly newspaper error discussion with Curiosity where he is obviously the lucid participant engaging his faculties.

Your thought process is complete nonsense while I logically explained mine with understanding in my previous posts.

556 posted on 01/07/2010 8:30:00 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: little jeremiah

They thrash around quite a bit on this thread.


557 posted on 01/07/2010 8:34:29 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: STE=Q
However, it does mean that YOUR "opinion" as to what makes a Natural Born Citizen (born in country with a foreign national for father)is in a state of uncertainty, or DOUBT; whereas, the "opinion" of the birthers (born in country, both parents citizens)is certain, or -- as Chief Justice Waite said (paraphrase) -- "of this class there can be NO doubt!

Thus, Birthers are on solid ground where the "opinion" of anti-birthers are fraught with doubt!

Yes, your total post in 551 above is right on the money. If there is 'uncertainty' in the allegiance to a country because of birth - how can that person be a natural? The most obvious answer he is not.

558 posted on 01/07/2010 8:45:56 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: tired_old_conservative
If you would like a President with intellectual honesty, perhaps you should practice that attribute yourself first.

I don't lie here and you certainly defend the liar-in-chief with vigor.

559 posted on 01/07/2010 8:50:50 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
“I don't lie here and you certainly defend the liar-in-chief with vigor.”

Again, you are incapable of reading or actual thought, or both. I most certainly have not defended Obama or his policies. You, as many others, seem so blinded by your hatred of Obama that you cannot deal with reality. Neither can you effectively converse with those who do. You simply write off those who disagree with you because you do not have the capacity to rationally defend your emotional obsession. In that, you are more truly liberal than conservative.

I do not defend Obama. I defend rationality, which real conservatives prize.

560 posted on 01/07/2010 9:04:39 PM PST by tired_old_conservative
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