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To: PugetSoundSoldier

It does not matter what they claim. What matters is what they had at the instant of their births. Obama had British, Kenyan and American claims on him, he is not a natural born citizen. Citizen yes, and it is different.

You cannot be a natural born citizen if at the moment of your birth, you had any citizenship along with your American Citizenship. You can only ever be of America, and with no other. We are talking about the most powerful office in the world. If nothing else, only a pure 100% unadulterated American should ever hold that office.


49 posted on 12/14/2009 8:24:59 AM PST by Danae (No political party should pick candidates. That's the voters job.)
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To: Danae
It does not matter what they claim. What matters is what they had at the instant of their births. Obama had British, Kenyan and American claims on him, he is not a natural born citizen. Citizen yes, and it is different.

So, if another country can prove they claimed Sarah Palin had their citizenship at the moment of her birth, she would be disqualified?

You cannot be a natural born citizen if at the moment of your birth, you had any citizenship along with your American Citizenship.

Can you show me that, unequivocally, in the Constitution, or the Federalist Papers, or any Supreme Court decision? Otherwise it is your conjecture only...

You can only ever be of America, and with no other.

And did President Arthur ever claim to be of any nation OTHER than America? You are arguing my point; a man claims where he is from, and if it can be documented, so be it. The claims of others on his life are irrelevant.

Answer the Sarah Palin question; suppose that I can prove that Canada claimed Sarah Palin as a citizen at the moment of her birth (for argument's sake). Would she be disqualified in your eyes?

We are talking about the most powerful office in the world.

And we're talking about something even more fundamental - the rights of a man to be free of the chains of his father. What you are proposing - that a person's station in life is strictly limited by what another foreign nation may lay claim to - is not American. Do the sins of the father carry to the son?

Your contention is specious; it leads to complete control by foreign powers. For if your position is what you really want - that citizenship matters based upon what a foreign nation claims at the moment of your birth - Hugo Chavez could start laying claim to every baby born in America from this day forward, and in 35 years we have a problem because - according to your definition - we don't HAVE any natural born citizens left.

So, answer the Sarah Palin question. If she was claimed by another nation at the moment of her birth - would she be, in your eyes, a natural born citizen?

67 posted on 12/14/2009 9:04:29 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the Sting of Truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Danae

Who is Barack Obama? Plenty of people have requested his birth information. Is he even Stanley Ann’s child? Nobody knows, and it is not for the want of asking. He’s not telling.


235 posted on 12/14/2009 6:50:04 PM PST by kiltie65
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Fact is we do not know if he’s even a citizen. What we do know is that he was adopted at age 6 by Lolo Seotoro and became, by his own school records, a citizen of Indonesia.

His legal birth certificate (not original but legal) would not show Barack Hussein Obama III as his father, it would show Lolo. A person who is adopted can not go back into court as an adult and say, I no longer want my adopted father as my legal father, change it.

He can change his name, not his legal parentage unless, Lolo gave up custody and Daddy came over from Kenya and re-adopted his son.

So, when did Barack change his name legally back to Obama, in what court, when and how?

When did he give up his Indonesian and British Citizenship and take full US Citizenship?

On what countries passport did he travel on before age 18 and as an adult? This is very relevant; while we can discuss what exactly is a NBC (I take John Jay’s definition as the most credible) a persons passport is accepted internationally and vetted fully in our law as being one of the few documents that proves the country a person is a citizen of.

I’ve yet to have a “anti-birther” be able to answer a single one of those questions.

How anyone can look at this mans background and not have serious questions is beyond me. How anyone can support him is even more incredible.


238 posted on 12/14/2009 7:21:23 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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