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To: Danae

Fact is we do not know if he’s even a citizen. What we do know is that he was adopted at age 6 by Lolo Seotoro and became, by his own school records, a citizen of Indonesia.

His legal birth certificate (not original but legal) would not show Barack Hussein Obama III as his father, it would show Lolo. A person who is adopted can not go back into court as an adult and say, I no longer want my adopted father as my legal father, change it.

He can change his name, not his legal parentage unless, Lolo gave up custody and Daddy came over from Kenya and re-adopted his son.

So, when did Barack change his name legally back to Obama, in what court, when and how?

When did he give up his Indonesian and British Citizenship and take full US Citizenship?

On what countries passport did he travel on before age 18 and as an adult? This is very relevant; while we can discuss what exactly is a NBC (I take John Jay’s definition as the most credible) a persons passport is accepted internationally and vetted fully in our law as being one of the few documents that proves the country a person is a citizen of.

I’ve yet to have a “anti-birther” be able to answer a single one of those questions.

How anyone can look at this mans background and not have serious questions is beyond me. How anyone can support him is even more incredible.


238 posted on 12/14/2009 7:21:23 PM PST by Brytani (Support Lt. Col Allen West for Congress - www.allenwestforcongress.com)
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To: Brytani
Fact is we do not know if he’s even a citizen

Bingo....great post.
243 posted on 12/14/2009 8:15:34 PM PST by Electric Graffiti (Yonder stands your orphan with his gun)
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To: Brytani

“I’ve yet to have a ‘anti-birther’ be able to answer a single one of those questions.”

Then you haven’t been paying attention. A minor cannot renounce his citizenship without an involved process, of which there would be evidence. If he was listed as a citizen of Indonesia at the age of 6, it really wouldn’t make any difference by itself. As for what country’s passport he travelled on, if he had not renounced his U.S. citizenship, it wouldn’t matter to U.S. law.


280 posted on 12/15/2009 11:48:21 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: Brytani
His legal birth certificate (not original but legal) would not show Barack Hussein Obama III as his father, it would show Lolo. A person who is adopted can not go back into court as an adult and say, I no longer want my adopted father as my legal father, change it.

Assuming, for the sake of arguement, that Soetoro did adopt Obama. Why would he, an Indonesian national, have the adoption done in a U.S. court? And how could a U.S. adoption result in the Indonesian citizenship you claim Obama held?

When did he give up his Indonesian and British Citizenship and take full US Citizenship?

Unless he gave up his citizenship as an adult then he never lost it.

I take John Jay’s definition as the most credible.

And what was John Jay's definition of a natural-born citizen? Can you quote him for us?

How anyone can look at this mans background and not have serious questions is beyond me. How anyone can support him is even more incredible.

I don't know anyone who doesn't have doubts about Obama. Just not ones connected to conspiracy theories about his place of birth.

286 posted on 12/15/2009 12:12:03 PM PST by Non-Sequitur
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