“Do the words “Hadley CRU” ring a bell?”
I am glad you brought that up. While “creation science” types like to point to “global warming” as an example of “science gone bad” and excuse for not listening to real scientists, I prefer to point out that the hiding of actual data, the obfuscation, and outright misrepresentation of results is the realm of “creation science”.
Yes, the “global warming” crowd did it with a straight face - as do the “creation science” crowd.
Now, are you glad you brought up the twin pillars of scientific fabrication - “creation science” and “global warming”?
[[While “creation science” types like to point to “global warming” as an example of “science gone bad” and excuse for not listening to real scientists, I prefer to point out that the hiding of actual data, the obfuscation, and outright misrepresentation of results is the realm of “creation science”.]]
that’s a misrepresentation of our position- we NEVER question the science simply because global warming has been shown to be a fraud- We quesiton it because there is evidence to show that hte claims are not infact true, and are based on assumptions, and NOT on solid science evidence- As well, we quesiton it because scientist after scientist has stated that they are systematically shut out of the process IF they question the science (much akin to the way the myriad of scientists coming out against ‘man-caused’ cliamte change were treated- so there we have a legitimate reason to question the integrity of hte process)
[[I prefer to point out that the hiding of actual data, the obfuscation, and outright misrepresentation of results is the realm of “creation science”.]]
mmm no, not so much- Trueorigins puts a stop to that claim right off hte bat- and exposes the FACT that it’s NOT the creationsits doing the hiding and obfuscation and outright misrepresenting but rather the ‘science’ sites like talkorigin- True origin has reams of evidence backign htis up- exposing hte cover-up- half-truths, and outright misrepresentations made by such sites as talkorigin. I’ve yet to see you or others make valid coutnerarguments to much of the science refutign macroevolution- all i ever see are great long posts that say nothign more siginificant really than ‘Creationists hide evidence’- or, at best, all I see are more assumptions provided as thoguh they were scientific fact not to be quesitoned either.
It’s claims liek you made that grate on those you dissagree with- IF you have evidence showign the statements made by creationsits are infact not correct, present htem- let hte evidence speak for itself- We’re stil l waiting. (Note, I have seen some attempts to provide evidence that refutes the scientific evidence that supports creationism or ID, howdver, upon doign research into the issue shows that those coutnerarguments have been themselves refuted, and has hsown that the science suppsoedly supporting evolution are just more of the same assumptions that lack evidence to support. as well, these assujmptions fly i nthe face of scientific laws that we ‘ignant deceitful creatards’ keep askign for for explanations for, but never receiving- Calling us ‘anti-science’ and ‘ignorant of ‘real science’ doesn’t answer the questions I’m afraid
I didn't. You did.
Do the words "Hadley CRU" ring a bell? Cheers!
That is the original post, in which I responded to a remark of yours -- even including your remark in italics so it was clear *what* I was bringing up and responding to.
You engaged in rhetorical overstepping, implying that "real" scientists would never ignore data and research.
So we can play the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, and stipulate that the Hadley crew were not "real" scientists; thereby leading to the questions of peer review, accreditation, etc., not being sufficient to "guarantee" the accuracy even of published data in the professional literature; or, allow that even "real" scientists sometimes lie, cheat, and falsify data.
Notice that in all this I did not mention or allude to "creation science".
You might also like reading this and considering its relevance to the Hadley CRU and climate studies in general.
Cheers!