The REAL Story of Thanksgiving

The Liberator Onlline ^ | Nov. 20, 1997 | Paul Schmidt

[r9etb]

According to native sources, the Indians provided venison, corn pudding, pumpkin, native birds and fish to the Pilgrims for the feast....

That may well be true. And if so, it's even further from Mr. Schmidt's fanciful "celebration of the triumph of private property and individual initiative" than I thought.

[netmilsmom]

Not really. The “bountiful” wasn’t working yet. Why do you think that is?

[Marine_Uncle]

Happy upcoming Thanksgiving Day RB. I was aware of this a number of years back. Rush Limbaugh had read portions over the air. Interesting. Communism never works. It is against human nature.

[SunkenCiv]

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[r9etb]

Doesn’t matter .. the article is still FOS.

[netmilsmom]

>>FOS<<

I’m sorry. I don’t mean to be stupid. Is that “full of ‘it’”?

[Pelham]

“The first Thanksgiving ceremony in North America took place not in Plymouth in 1621, but near Jamestown, Va., on Dec. 4, 1619. Being a native of Virginia, such distinctions are of vital significance.

Virginia’s event was not a celebration, but a true thanksgiving service held by 38 English settlers who had just survived a perilous winter passage across the stormy Atlantic in a small sailing ship.”

http://spofga.org/flag/2005/nov/more_first_thanksgiving.php

[Pelham]

Doubtful, since those words are written in the Declaration and not the Constitution, and came from the earlier Virginia Declaration of Rights.

[Pelham]

“In fact, my own genealogical research demonstrates that one of the attendees at St. Sauveur certainly was present for the first Thanksgiving at Jamestown, and may well have attended the first Thanksgiving at Plymouth. He’d gone into real estate sales with John Smith. “

Fascinating. What was the name of that First Realtor?

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Pelham.

[guitarplayer1953]

Historical it was a fact they changed it to pursuit of happiness from security of property. For the reason I gave that slaves were property and that would of given the south the constitutional right to slavery.

[Tired of Taxes]

Here's a nice lesson plan for Thanksgiving.

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[metmom]

IIRC, the Common Store system was tried in Jamestown with similar results.

Too bad so many people don’t learn from history.

[r9etb]

Yup. ;-)

[FreeKeys]

Thank you for the link. You might like to try this: http://tinyurl.com/PlymouthPlantation

[TheOldLady]

Should be required reading in all schools, every grade, every year.

We must take back our schools.

[Lee'sGhost]

Of course, you forgot about the one in 1565 in St. Augustine that predates all that.

[Mr. Jazzy]

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[muawiyah]

Or the one in 1492 ~ but that wasn't in what is now the United States.

I tend to discount the various "things" that went on at St. Augustine since the records in the "Virginia Room" support the idea that it was a "less than permanent" settlement.

We have several places around Chesapeake Bay that were as old or older ~ with one of them down the coast at Breton Bay that may well date to pre-Columbian times.

St.Sauveur was permanent, although the participants crossed the Bay of Fundy to resettle at Anapolis Royal (from which grew the Nova Scotia colony), and so was Jamestown ~ it grew into Virginia, then America, and so was Plimouth ~ which turned into a Boston suburb!

When the troops left St. Augustine to roll North to wipe out Ribault's colony in Carolana, they took the priests and prostitutes with them. The hurricane pretty nearly wiped them out (hence the ferocious anger they had at the unarmed Huguenots they proceeded to murder).

Few of the survivors returned to St. Augustine preferring, instead, to go someplace else as soon as possible.

BTW, the Texas deal was in an existing permanent community that's still there, so I count it.