Posted on 10/12/2009 2:27:33 PM PDT by micheknows
Healthcare Reform or Bust???
There has been a push from the Obama administration to overhaul the healthcare industry. I’m not going to go into detail here for the simple fact that you would have to be living in the remote parts of the Amazon not to have heard something about healthcare debate. Now is not the time to rehash what has already been said over and over.
NOW is the time for action…
(Excerpt) Read more at jathansonline.blogspot.com ...
This has to do with the way they are planning to insert a healthcare bill into another bill tomorrow and push it directly through the Senate and House with no debate, no discussion, even no reading of the bill.
No reading of what bill? All it has is a title.
The Baucus bill is getting passed out of the finance committee. It will happen. The vote will be 13-10 or 14-9, depending on what Snowe does. It can’t be stopped from coming out of committee.
That’s before they insert what they want into it. Read the blog article to see what to do about it. There is a certain word you need to say when you call your representative.
No, you have to say the words, “No vote for Cloiture”. That is what can stop it.
A cloture vote only comes into effect when the bill is brought before the entire Senate. It does not come into play when voting a bill out of committee. The Baucus bill will be approved by the Finance Committee.
And if you do nothing to even try to stop this, you cannot complain this time next year, when we are living in Socialism/Communism.
Right, and it has to be stopped. If that is done, it will stop completely and would have to start over completely.
I meant even the health care bill is a blank now...
So it can’t be read, right? We agree. Do we also agree that it needs to be stopped?
Yup... they are sticking a blank placeholder for a blank bill into one that they can get passed.
RINOS will sell us out as I have been predicting for a good while.
But you still have to fight. If you give up, they’ve won easily.
Harry Reid will then begin closed-door talks to merge the bill with one approved by the Senate Health Committee earlier this year. Reid will sit down with several fellow Democrats including Baucus, new health panel chairman Senator Tom Harkin and Senator Chris Dodd, who headed the health committee deliberations on the bill, to work out differences in the two measures.
The biggest decision will be whether to include a government-run "public" insurance option backed by Obama and congressional liberals. The Finance bill does not include it and three Democrats, including Baucus, voted against it in committee. The Health panel's bill does include it. Reid also must navigate competing views on the level of government subsidies to help individuals buy insurance and a proposed requirement that employers offer health coverage to employees.
Reid's goal will be to find a spot where he can placate liberal Democrats without driving off moderates -- all in hopes of holding together the Democrats' 60-vote majority in the 100-member Senate. That is the number needed to overcome Republican procedural hurdles. "In the end, it's about finding a proposal that can get 60 votes," said Reid's spokesman Jim Manley.
Once Reid reaches a compromise, the measure will be submitted to the Congressional Budget Office for another estimate of costs and eventually moved to the Senate floor for debate, perhaps later this month.
Democratic leaders in the House of Representatives also are working to merge three separate healthcare bills passed by House committees, and submitted a version last week to congressional budget analysts for cost estimates. Their goal is to move a bill to the floor in the next few weeks.
If the Senate and House each pass a healthcare overhaul, a conference committee composed of members from each chamber will be appointed to negotiate the differences and combine the two measures. The public insurance option is certain to be an issue there as well -- all three House bills include it.
Once the conference committee settles on a single bill, the House and Senate vote again on the revised measure. If approved, it will be sent to Obama for his signature or veto. Obama has set a goal of the end of the year for final action.
Did you read the blog post? The time to act is now.
then call the 8 key Dem - independent ones on cloture !
micheknows wrote:
This has to do with the way they are planning to insert a healthcare bill into another bill tomorrow and push it directly through the Senate and House with no debate, no discussion, even no reading of the bill.
Don’t panic!
A lot of “information” on this comes from people who don’t understand the rules and the reasons for doing this as an amendment.
Any amendment proposed in the Senate, to any bill, faces a cloture vote. It would take 60 votes to attach this health care bill to any other bill.
And, any bill in the Senate, once all of the amendments have been handled, faces a cloture vote on the completed bill (with amendments). So, it takes an additional vote of 60 votes to bring the amended bill to a floor vote.
This is about circumventing part of the Constitution, and also about cutting the House out of the whole process, and establishing the Senate as a place that can make new tax laws.
I posted a couple of responses with more details about this over on another thread. Check http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2360718/posts?page=21#21 for more info. There are two posts there explaining the procedures a little better.
Make no mistake, the whole amendment thing is devious. But it is about circumventing the Constitution, and circumventing the authority of the House of Representatives.
I think they really want to get it through the Senate by Thursday, but at this point, any single Senator could hold it up that long by simply objecting to everything and forcing recorded votes at every step. I think they have already blown the October 15th deadline. Passing this by budget reconciliation with 51 votes wasn’t going to get them what they wanted, either.
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