you are incorrect, the US did not allow dual citizenship with Indonesia.
It is Mr Benjamin’s considered conclusion that “there is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian.” Dual citizenship is a clearcut cause for ineligibility to run for POTUSA, under Article II of the Constitution.
Additionally, if you examine Obama’s application to the Illinois Bar, he failed to list any previous names. Certainly another cause for suspicions that Barry has been trying to keep his real history secret for years. If he hasn’t actually legally changed his name to Barack Obama, then it may be possible that his candidacy is going to be dismissed, because it is in the wrong name.
Indonesian Connection
Soetoro is the name on Obama’s Birth Certificate (BC) because a new BC was issued when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, his step-father. His original BC, which we assume was issued for Barack Hussein Obama at birth, would have been sealed at the time of the adoption.
Barry Soetoro probably acquired Indonesian citizenship in approximately 1965-1966, and may still hold it. He possibly changed his legal name back to Barack Hussein Obama as an older child, teenager, or adult, possibly never did – but even if he did, this procedure would not result in a change to the BC. (If he never legally changed his name back, I imagine his current name on the Presidential ballot would be invalid.)
The Birth Certificate published by Obama on his campaign website (still there, by the way) and distributed to the media was forged because the real BC on file is in the name Soetoro, an identity he apparently wanted to hide from the American people. I am getting reports from different sources that Obama traveled to Pakistan in `81 with an Indonesian passport.
Prior to 2007, Indonesian law did not permit dual citizenship. Thus, if Obama actively kept his Indonesian citizenship, his US citizenship could be challenged. I suspect that Obama may have dumped his Indonesian citizenship at some point along the way, to advance his political career. But I would not be shocked if he still holds it. This question, however, should not overshadow the serious problem of hiding his Indonesian identity from the electorate….. What else is he hiding?
Can you quote the law that prevented it?
It is Mr Benjamin’s considered conclusion that “there is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian.” Dual citizenship is a clearcut cause for ineligibility to run for POTUSA, under Article II of the Constitution.
If Obama enrolled for the first time in January 1968 then he would have been 6 years old. According to Article 2 of the Law of Citizenship in the Republic of Indonesia, adopted in 1958 and in effect at the time - listed here - a foreign child under the age of 5 becomes a citizen automatically upon their approved adoption by an Indonesian national. Otherwise they need to wait until they're 18 and can apply for naturalization. Obama was over 5, so he didn't qualify for automatic citizenship. So it appears that Mr. Benjamin didn't read the law before declaring that Obama must have been an Indonesian citizen.
Dual citizenship is a clearcut cause for ineligibility to run for POTUSA, under Article II of the Constitution.
And of course you can quote the clause of the Constitution or the federal law or the Supreme Court decision that supports that idea as well?
Additionally, if you examine Obama’s application to the Illinois Bar, he failed to list any previous names.
Like what? Barry Soetoro? If I were applying for a law license would I be expected to list any of the nicknames I had as a child?
Since the story broke late Saturday that Barack Obama’s real Birth Certificate, now in Republican hands, has the name Barry Soetoro and not Barack Obama, as we predicted a couple of weeks ago, I notice that many people are still confused about the implications of dual citizenship for Obama. The matter is somewhat complex, so I’ve decided to try to provide a summary, with the help of resident expert “Judah Benjamin.”
The real birth certificate in now in Republican hands? Well that's a new one. Pray tell, when are they planning on releasing it? Or are they going to lock it up in order to avoid a Constitutional crisis? </sarcasm>
Soetoro is the name on Obama’s Birth Certificate (BC) because a new BC was issued when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, his step-father. His original BC, which we assume was issued for Barack Hussein Obama at birth, would have been sealed at the time of the adoption.
And why would an Indonesian national conduct an adoption in a U.S. court? And if he did adopt Obama in a U.S. court then how did that make Obama an Indonesian citizen? On the other hand, if the adoption occurred in an Indonesian court then how would that cause the U.S. birth certificate to change? Finally, do you not stop and think about any of the stuff you seem to believe?
Barry Soetoro probably acquired Indonesian citizenship in approximately 1965-1966, and may still hold it.
How is that possible when it appears his mother didn't meet Soetoro until 1966, and probably didn't marry him until 1967? And when they lived in the U.S. until late 1967?
I am getting reports from different sources that Obama traveled to Pakistan in `81 with an Indonesian passport.
I've no doubt that you are. I've noticed that the Birther imagination knows no bounds.
Prior to 2007, Indonesian law did not permit dual citizenship. Thus, if Obama actively kept his Indonesian citizenship, his US citizenship could be challenged.
If that is true then wouldn't it be the Indonesian citizenship that was compromised and not his U.S. one? Obama was born in Hawaii, even that Indonesian school record you all keep waving around states that. As such he was a citizen from birth per the 14th Amendment. Now you can argue natural-born citizen if you want, but you cannot dispute the fact that anyone born in the U.S. is a citizen of some kind. As such that status cannot be taken away from him. If cannot be forfeited by any foreign law. It cannot be given up on his behalf by a parent or guardian. It can only be given up by Obama himself and only when he is an adult. So if Indonesian law didn't allow for dual citizenship, and the law in effect at the time didn't say that, then Obama could not have become an Indonesian citizen because he was already a U.S. citizen. So it was his Indonesian citizenship status that was void, not his U.S. citizenship.
But I would not be shocked if he still holds it.
You have no real evidence he ever held it to begin with.