you are incorrect, the US did not allow dual citizenship with Indonesia. Can you quote the law that prevented it?
It is Mr Benjamin’s considered conclusion that “there is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian.” Dual citizenship is a clearcut cause for ineligibility to run for POTUSA, under Article II of the Constitution.
If Obama enrolled for the first time in January 1968 then he would have been 6 years old. According to Article 2 of the Law of Citizenship in the Republic of Indonesia, adopted in 1958 and in effect at the time - listed here - a foreign child under the age of 5 becomes a citizen automatically upon their approved adoption by an Indonesian national. Otherwise they need to wait until they're 18 and can apply for naturalization. Obama was over 5, so he didn't qualify for automatic citizenship. So it appears that Mr. Benjamin didn't read the law before declaring that Obama must have been an Indonesian citizen.
Dual citizenship is a clearcut cause for ineligibility to run for POTUSA, under Article II of the Constitution.
And of course you can quote the clause of the Constitution or the federal law or the Supreme Court decision that supports that idea as well?
Additionally, if you examine Obama’s application to the Illinois Bar, he failed to list any previous names.
Like what? Barry Soetoro? If I were applying for a law license would I be expected to list any of the nicknames I had as a child?
Since the story broke late Saturday that Barack Obama’s real Birth Certificate, now in Republican hands, has the name Barry Soetoro and not Barack Obama, as we predicted a couple of weeks ago, I notice that many people are still confused about the implications of dual citizenship for Obama. The matter is somewhat complex, so I’ve decided to try to provide a summary, with the help of resident expert “Judah Benjamin.”
The real birth certificate in now in Republican hands? Well that's a new one. Pray tell, when are they planning on releasing it? Or are they going to lock it up in order to avoid a Constitutional crisis? </sarcasm>
Soetoro is the name on Obama’s Birth Certificate (BC) because a new BC was issued when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, his step-father. His original BC, which we assume was issued for Barack Hussein Obama at birth, would have been sealed at the time of the adoption.
And why would an Indonesian national conduct an adoption in a U.S. court? And if he did adopt Obama in a U.S. court then how did that make Obama an Indonesian citizen? On the other hand, if the adoption occurred in an Indonesian court then how would that cause the U.S. birth certificate to change? Finally, do you not stop and think about any of the stuff you seem to believe?
Barry Soetoro probably acquired Indonesian citizenship in approximately 1965-1966, and may still hold it.
How is that possible when it appears his mother didn't meet Soetoro until 1966, and probably didn't marry him until 1967? And when they lived in the U.S. until late 1967?
I am getting reports from different sources that Obama traveled to Pakistan in `81 with an Indonesian passport.
I've no doubt that you are. I've noticed that the Birther imagination knows no bounds.
Prior to 2007, Indonesian law did not permit dual citizenship. Thus, if Obama actively kept his Indonesian citizenship, his US citizenship could be challenged.
If that is true then wouldn't it be the Indonesian citizenship that was compromised and not his U.S. one? Obama was born in Hawaii, even that Indonesian school record you all keep waving around states that. As such he was a citizen from birth per the 14th Amendment. Now you can argue natural-born citizen if you want, but you cannot dispute the fact that anyone born in the U.S. is a citizen of some kind. As such that status cannot be taken away from him. If cannot be forfeited by any foreign law. It cannot be given up on his behalf by a parent or guardian. It can only be given up by Obama himself and only when he is an adult. So if Indonesian law didn't allow for dual citizenship, and the law in effect at the time didn't say that, then Obama could not have become an Indonesian citizen because he was already a U.S. citizen. So it was his Indonesian citizenship status that was void, not his U.S. citizenship.
But I would not be shocked if he still holds it.
You have no real evidence he ever held it to begin with.
you are incorrect, the US did not allow dual citizenship with Indonesia.
Can you quote the law that prevented it?
http://www.peoplespassions.org/documents/Obama_and_the_law.html
It is Mr Benjamin’s considered conclusion that “there is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian.” Dual citizenship is a clearcut cause for ineligibility to run for POTUSA, under Article II of the Constitution.
If Obama enrolled for the first time in January 1968 then he would have been 6 years old. According to Article 2 of the Law of Citizenship in the Republic of Indonesia, adopted in 1958 and in effect at the time - listed here - a foreign child under the age of 5 becomes a citizen automatically upon their approved adoption by an Indonesian national. Otherwise they need to wait until they’re 18 and can apply for naturalization. Obama was over 5, so he didn’t qualify for automatic citizenship. So it appears that Mr. Benjamin didn’t read the law before declaring that Obama must have been an Indonesian citizen.
In this link you will see that Obama divorced in 1963, and Married Lolo Soetero and moved to Indonesia in 1966-1967, Following his enrollment at the private Assisi school, Obama attended public schooling in Indonesia until he returned to Hawaii at age 10. He was 5. But its not when he started school, its when he was adopted.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=72656
Dual citizenship is a clearcut cause for ineligibility to run for POTUSA, under Article II of the Constitution.
And of course you can quote the clause of the Constitution or the federal law or the Supreme Court decision that supports that idea as well?
According to the Constitution, which explicitly and unambiguously uses with the term “natural born” when referring to qualifications for someone to be the US president, no, a US president cannot have dual citizenship. They must have that singular allegiance that can only be derived from having been born of US soil - “born here”.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_a_US_president_have_dual_citizenship
Additionally, if you examine Obama’s application to the Illinois Bar, he failed to list any previous names.
Like what? Barry Soetoro? If I were applying for a law license would I be expected to list any of the nicknames I had as a child?
I have already supplied a link in this reply that states he was adopted by Lolo Soetero, that is not a nick-name, it is his legal name...c’mon man...don’t you research at all?
It occurs to me that you throw this bogus junk at people to get your information.
For the record, these are on court documents:
Barack Hussein Obama a/k/a
Barry Soetoro a/k/a
Barry Obama a/k/a
Barack Dunham a/k/a
Barry Dunham
The real birth certificate in now in Republican hands? Well that’s a new one. Pray tell, when are they planning on releasing it? Or are they going to lock it up in order to avoid a Constitutional crisis?
That is the birth certificate entered into court records by Orly Taits, which will be heard August 8,2009
And why would an Indonesian national conduct an adoption in a U.S. court? And if he did adopt Obama in a U.S. court then how did that make Obama an Indonesian citizen? On the other hand, if the adoption occurred in an Indonesian court then how would that cause the U.S. birth certificate to change? Finally, do you not stop and think about any of the stuff you seem to believe?
Nobody said it was a US Court. Obviously if he became an Indonesian citizen it was in an Indonesian court. I have already supplied you with that link above. It would not cause the US birth certificate to change (If it exists).
Thank You, I do think about, compare, read, and educate my self about what is going on.
*The COLB is not a long form birth certificate published is a fake, and not a long form Birth Certificate
** Orly Taits has entered into evidence a birth certificate
*** There is a third Kenyan birth certificate that has surfaced.
Need a link? Or are you a big boy and can google it yourself.
Barry Soetoro probably acquired Indonesian citizenship in approximately 1965-1966, and may still hold it.
How is that possible when it appears his mother didn’t meet Soetoro until 1966, and probably didn’t marry him until 1967? And when they lived in the U.S. until late 1967?
You have your dates mixed up. The timeline has been supplied in the links above. Suffice to say they knew each other several years before marrying, she divorced i 1963, was married in 1966, and moved to Indonesia in 1966 timeframe when Obama was adopted and his name changed to Barry Soetero BEFORE he entered the school system, which was an indonesian requirement to enter public school.
Each of these answers was readily available on the net.
Next time, do your own homework.