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To: etraveler13
Back when he became an Indonesian citizen, the US did not allow dual citizenship.

The U.S. does allow dual citizenship and has no choice in the matter. We can no more negate another country's citizenship laws than they can negate our's.

As indonesia was a protectorate of Great Britian, they did not as well.

Indonesia gained their freedom from the Netherlands in 1945.

So he lost (temporarily) his US citizenship and rights, but, he could before his 21st birthday recover them, interesting, because he was a law student, and eventually a constitutional lawyer, and studied in the US, but, according to all records, never reapplied. Like I said, interesting.

That's absolute nonsense. When you're born in this country your citizenship is a birthright that cannot be taken from you and cannot be given up on your behalf. Federal law makes it clear that the only way to give up your citizenship is to do so deliberately, and only after you become an adult. You do not lose it temporarily under any circumstances. You're a citizen or you're not, there are no half measures. And the Supreme Court has found that you cannot accidentally give up your citizenship, either. You have to clearly and deliberately relinquish it.

Having a legal name change is required in the United States. People do it every day. But, you cannot just name yourself something and put it on legal documents.

Actually yes you can. A court order is recommended but not required. So long as you aren't doing it to commit fraud then you can call yourself pretty much whatever you want.

112 posted on 09/03/2009 2:33:14 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

you are incorrect, the US did not allow dual citizenship with Indonesia.


Mr Benjamin continued:”No journalist has denied that the SD Asisi Record contains the following information: He was enrolled on January 1st 1968, given Serial No 203 and placed in Class 1 B. His Religion is given as Islam, his Nationality Indonesian, his Father’s Name as L Soetoro Ma., his Father’s Occupation as Official, Director General’s Office TNI [Topography Division Indonesian Army] and his Name as Barry Soetoro.”

It is Mr Benjamin’s considered conclusion that “there is clear prima facie evidence that Senator Barack Hussein Obama has held at least two Citizenships, American and Indonesian.” Dual citizenship is a clearcut cause for ineligibility to run for POTUSA, under Article II of the Constitution.

Additionally, if you examine Obama’s application to the Illinois Bar, he failed to list any previous names. Certainly another cause for suspicions that Barry has been trying to keep his real history secret for years. If he hasn’t actually legally changed his name to Barack Obama, then it may be possible that his candidacy is going to be dismissed, because it is in the wrong name.


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Since the story broke late Saturday that Barack Obama’s real Birth Certificate, now in Republican hands, has the name Barry Soetoro and not Barack Obama, as we predicted a couple of weeks ago, I notice that many people are still confused about the implications of dual citizenship for Obama. The matter is somewhat complex, so I’ve decided to try to provide a summary, with the help of resident expert “Judah Benjamin.”

Indonesian Connection

Soetoro is the name on Obama’s Birth Certificate (BC) because a new BC was issued when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, his step-father. His original BC, which we assume was issued for Barack Hussein Obama at birth, would have been sealed at the time of the adoption.

Barry Soetoro probably acquired Indonesian citizenship in approximately 1965-1966, and may still hold it. He possibly changed his legal name back to Barack Hussein Obama as an older child, teenager, or adult, possibly never did – but even if he did, this procedure would not result in a change to the BC. (If he never legally changed his name back, I imagine his current name on the Presidential ballot would be invalid.)

The Birth Certificate published by Obama on his campaign website (still there, by the way) and distributed to the media was forged because the real BC on file is in the name Soetoro, an identity he apparently wanted to hide from the American people. I am getting reports from different sources that Obama traveled to Pakistan in `81 with an Indonesian passport.

Prior to 2007, Indonesian law did not permit dual citizenship. Thus, if Obama actively kept his Indonesian citizenship, his US citizenship could be challenged. I suspect that Obama may have dumped his Indonesian citizenship at some point along the way, to advance his political career. But I would not be shocked if he still holds it. This question, however, should not overshadow the serious problem of hiding his Indonesian identity from the electorate….. What else is he hiding?


113 posted on 09/03/2009 3:37:22 PM PDT by etraveler13
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