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1 posted on 08/19/2009 12:16:47 PM PDT by rxsid
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2 posted on 08/19/2009 12:17:22 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

Can we get a good fact check on this?


3 posted on 08/19/2009 12:19:24 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: rxsid

Now, if you want a REALLY bizarre story, read about Arthur’s grandson, Chester Athur III.


5 posted on 08/19/2009 12:35:47 PM PDT by Welcome2thejungle
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To: rxsid
What's truly amazing is how much of the nation (by that I mean the people, not the dirt bounded by our "borders") no longer understands that loyalty to a foreign power is what is at issue in both Arthur and Obama's cases.

The comment about Gray is fascinating. Seen in that light, it does start to make sense about Wong Kim Ark. For a long time, I had thought that maybe the era when that decision was taken was some sort of nascent "liberal progressive" time, when attitudes towards non-White aliens were softening.

But this refutes that, and explains one more puzzle about Ark: why did the majority resort to English Common Law to produce the result that Ark was a citizen? As Eastman and Meese pointed out (see P. 18-19), the Constitution rejects feudalism and thus the resort to Common Law regarding Sojourners employed by Gray.

But it makes sense if Gray saw himself as an Englishman.

So he was no liberal, but rather a closet Monarchist, reaching back in to the Monarchist's trick bag to produce more serfs for the Kings.

6 posted on 08/19/2009 12:43:45 PM PDT by Regulator (Welcome to Zimbabwe! Now hand over your property)
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To: rxsid
OK, who was the freeper that posted to e that Zero's "dual citizenship" wasn't a problem because Arhtur also had dual citizenship and there was a precedent. Looks like Arthur (like Zero) knew it would be an issue so he hid it and lied about it. Hmmm.....

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8 posted on 08/19/2009 1:29:42 PM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" or "come get some")
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Arthur's father's date of naturalization was two years after his birth. The original argument was that a person born in the US
with only one citizen parent was not a natural born citizen. While Arthur did thwart the claims then, same as Obama is doing
with the claims of being born in Kenya, if you read some of the editorials of the day, it eerily echos today's headlines.

As Cort Wrotnowski indicated in his Supplemental Brief to the SCOTUS back in December,
President Chester Arthur was not a “natural born citizen”, and hid those facts until his death.

From that Supplemental Brief: http://www.scribd.com/doc/8830185/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz-Supplemental-Brief

The definitive biography of Chester Arthur's life is “Gentleman Boss” by Thomas Reeves.
Since Chester Arthur burned his papers around the time of his death, this biography fills
many gaps with interviews of family members and authentic documents such as the Arthur family Bible.

From “Gentleman Boss”, page 202 and 203:
“…Hinman was hired, apparently by democrats, to explore
rumors that Arthur had been born in a foreign country, was not a
natural-born citizen of the United States, and was thus, by the
Constitution, ineligible for the vice-presidency. By mid-August,
Hinman was claiming that Arthur was born in Ireland and had
been brought to the United States by his father when he was fourteen.
Arthur denied the charge and said that his mother was
a New Englander who had never left her native country — a
statement every member of the Arthur family knew was untrue.”

9 posted on 08/19/2009 1:32:28 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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(1) What was the American law in effect at the time of Arthur's birth concerning the citizenship status at birth of a child born to a non-citizen father and a citizen mother on American soil?

(2) There is one major difference between the situations of Arthur and Obama: Arthur was beyond doubt a citizen of the United States at the time he assumed the presidency; in contrast, we still don't know if Obama is a citizen or even if he ever has been a citizen. (I admit that this has little bearing on Arthur's constitutional eligibility or lack thereof).

(3) As far as American troops saluting the British flag is concerned, my guess would be that, given the close proximity and working relationships between Americans and British in WWII and the stationing of many American troops in Great Britain, it possibly did occur during that time frame, but probably not on orders of the president.

12 posted on 08/19/2009 2:24:14 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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Isn’t it time that the Chester Arthur incident be fully investigated and his name cleared or, if if it is concluded that eligibility was never satisfied, that every last bid of legislation signed by this man be (at least symbolicly) reversed.


16 posted on 08/25/2009 5:27:24 AM PDT by AJMCQ (Who is Khalid al-Mansour? You mean Obama didn't get into Harvard on his grades?)
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Any military person stationed on a coalition base or in a foreign country salutes all kinds of flags, so this is hardly an issue.

I've saluted all kinds of flags over my career. BFD

17 posted on 05/31/2011 12:34:55 PM PDT by Silverfiddle (Stand With The Heroes, Fight The Zeroes!)
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To: rxsid

BFT someone takes this seriously.


23 posted on 06/01/2011 12:37:03 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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