Posted on 08/19/2009 12:16:47 PM PDT by rxsid
Ping!
Can we get a good fact check on this?
It is all accurate as recorded in History.
Now, if you want a REALLY bizarre story, read about Arthur’s grandson, Chester Athur III.
The comment about Gray is fascinating. Seen in that light, it does start to make sense about Wong Kim Ark. For a long time, I had thought that maybe the era when that decision was taken was some sort of nascent "liberal progressive" time, when attitudes towards non-White aliens were softening.
But this refutes that, and explains one more puzzle about Ark: why did the majority resort to English Common Law to produce the result that Ark was a citizen? As Eastman and Meese pointed out (see P. 18-19), the Constitution rejects feudalism and thus the resort to Common Law regarding Sojourners employed by Gray.
But it makes sense if Gray saw himself as an Englishman.
So he was no liberal, but rather a closet Monarchist, reaching back in to the Monarchist's trick bag to produce more serfs for the Kings.
Indeed, so true. Goes to the very core of the intent/reason of the framers requiring NBC (after their Revolutionary generation) for the position of "Commander in Chief."
As Cort Wrotnowski indicated in his Supplemental Brief to the SCOTUS back in December,
President Chester Arthur was not a “natural born citizen”, and hid those facts until his death.
From that Supplemental Brief: http://www.scribd.com/doc/8830185/Wrotnowski-v-Bysiewicz-Supplemental-Brief
The definitive biography of Chester Arthur's life is “Gentleman Boss” by Thomas Reeves.
Since Chester Arthur burned his papers around the time of his death, this biography fills
many gaps with interviews of family members and authentic documents such as the Arthur family Bible.
From “Gentleman Boss”, page 202 and 203:“…Hinman was hired, apparently by democrats, to explore
rumors that Arthur had been born in a foreign country, was not a
natural-born citizen of the United States, and was thus, by the
Constitution, ineligible for the vice-presidency. By mid-August,
Hinman was claiming that Arthur was born in Ireland and had
been brought to the United States by his father when he was fourteen.
Arthur denied the charge and said that his mother was
a New Englander who had never left her native country — a
statement every member of the Arthur family knew was untrue.”
Kinda like Obama was probably rummaging through his grandmother's
scrapbooks and keepsakes -- just a few days before the election -- for
anything that could be incriminating ...
You mean Gavin? Whoa! That’s a story I didn’t need to read about. LOL.
(2) There is one major difference between the situations of Arthur and Obama: Arthur was beyond doubt a citizen of the United States at the time he assumed the presidency; in contrast, we still don't know if Obama is a citizen or even if he ever has been a citizen. (I admit that this has little bearing on Arthur's constitutional eligibility or lack thereof).
(3) As far as American troops saluting the British flag is concerned, my guess would be that, given the close proximity and working relationships between Americans and British in WWII and the stationing of many American troops in Great Britain, it possibly did occur during that time frame, but probably not on orders of the president.
From what I've read and heard, standing at attention before a foreign country's colors almost certainly was common then (and still is). However, to actually salute the foreign colors, less certain. IIAC, saluting the "colors" is a sign of not only respect, but shows allegiance.
Of possible interest...
"§ 9. Conduct during hoisting, lowering or passing of flag
During the ceremony of hoisting or lowering the flag or when the flag is passing in a parade or in review, those present in uniform should render the military salute. Members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute. All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, or if applicable, remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Citizens of other countries should stand at attention. All such conduct toward the flag in a moving column should be rendered at the moment the flag passes."
Patrilineage. The citizenship of the husband determined the citizenship of the wife. The citizenship of the father determined the citizenship of the child. Chester A. Arthur was not even a citizen at birth, regardless of where he was born. Regarding a wife's citizenship as an entity separate from her husband, only came into being in the 1920's.
Yeah, weird, weird.
He was into astrology, lived in SF, and attended Anton LeVay’s Church of Satan.
Isn’t it time that the Chester Arthur incident be fully investigated and his name cleared or, if if it is concluded that eligibility was never satisfied, that every last bid of legislation signed by this man be (at least symbolicly) reversed.
I've saluted all kinds of flags over my career. BFD
http://www.americanvolunteerreserve.org/regulation/Army/r600_25.pdf
1–10. Foreign national anthems. [...] The same honors rendered to the United States National Anthem will be rendered during the playing of the foreign national anthems.
As less and less people join the military, I guess blind spots like this will pop up.
If neither, seems you've just compared apples to steaks.
Find one that was in affect when the original usurper gave the order...then you've got somethin.
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