Posted on 08/17/2009 8:47:08 AM PDT by Federalist Patriot
I guess the time of sports figures as role models for the young is long gone.
This guy did awful things to dogs and got sadistic enjoyment out of it. Nobody forced him to do what he did. Now he almost never speaks of what he did, only "what happened". What he did was far more than make a "mistake"; his was an on-going pattern of cruel and depraved illegal behavior that only ceased because he was arrested for it.
Vick has served his time, yes, but now he's going to step right back into his football shoes and boogie on down the road to fortune and fame again? I think that's what Megyn Kelly was upset about.
while I disagree with her, in that I think Vick has served his time and should be able to work, I find criminals calling their act’s “mistakes” extremely distasteful. Vick did not Trip into running a dog fight, he did not oversleep into, he did not miss a right turn and ended up at one. If Vick wanted allot of this to go away he should speak honestly and plainly..
What I did was evil, it was awful and I can see that now. I am grateful I live in a country where a man can serve a just time for his crimes and restart his life when that time is over.
vick's crimes had nothing to do with football. in the examples you gave, the professions were the catalyst for the crimes. and of course the priest and executive should not be allowed to return to their former jobs.
if vick's crimes involved football, then no, he should not be allowed to return. see pete rose for an example.
She certainly exemplifies the christian belief in redemption and the American ideal that he has done his time and deserves a chance. Great stuff!
I wonder if Jane Skinner heard this. Her husbamd is the NFL Commish.
If you want to bask in the past when sports figures were ideals for youth, I suggest you read up on Ty Cobb and some of the others of the golden age of your heros.
DITTO
Dungy is one of the finest coaches and christians i have ever seen.
It’s symbolic of two things: Our increasing disconnect from the rural lifestyle that had a more utilitarian of animals and the way pets have been elevated to the place of children as people delay starting families or forgo it altogether. Encouraging dogs to kill each other for sport is un-necessary and sadistic by any standard, but we obviously don’t other other animals in near the same esteem as dogs. Vick should have stuck with Roosters. Historically dog fighting was a popular betting sport everywhere from feudal Japan to the American colonies. It’s a crime against our current culture’s moral crutch more than anything else — as in “I may ignore this and this bad thing, but I’m still a good person because I’m kind to animals.” Sometimes its an escape—there are alot of people use a love of animals to make up for the lost of trust they have in people due to abuse or some other misfortune. And sometimes it’s out of guilt for their own evil deeds. There are plenty of otherwise soulless scumbags who reserve a special place in their heart for Rover, Hitler being a famous example.
Has he ever said why he thinks what he did was wrong?
Freegards
Of course not, but Vick isn’t getting a job running a kennel or an animal shelter. Playing in the NFL will not put him in a position to abuse animals, again, in the same way the pervert priest or crooked CFO would be in a position to repeat their crimes.
Of course, any NFL team would be wise to take his criminal behavior into account. If I were an NFL GM, I would never sign him, not as a punishment, but to protect my organization from a man who has shown extremely low character and might hurt the team’s image, chemistry and marketability.
He satisfied the legal system, not me.
If Bernard Madoff got out of prison would he be hired in the financial industry? NO.
Vick deserves a job flipping burgers or the like. Getting his old status back is just wrong. He earns millions and is a role model ?? Come on.
Torturing and killing dogs is more than a character flaw that a little prison time is going to rectify.
Go get’m Megyn
Should Pete Rose be allowed into the Hall of Fame?
After all, both Rose and Vick were busted for gambling-related issues.
My major concern is that Vick was gambling illegally, and I do not see it as much of a stretch for him to gamble on football against the rules, too. His second chance is his freedom. Being trusted again by an NFL team is well over and above the “second chance” level, IMO.
YMMV.
Isn’t Megyn Kelly on right before Jane (my husband’s the NFL commisioner) Skinner? that must have been an interesting off-camera moment....
The man served his time, and deserves a chance to rebuild his life.
On the other hand, the man was an animal torturer. Not once, not a couple of times, but repeatedly over the course of many years. Such crimes reveal a man with a sick soul and a disturbed mind.
Any team taking a chance on a man of this character and dispostion is taking an awfully big risk. I suppose they should be allowed to do so. But if I were a GM, I’d have no trouble passing on Vick.
It’s not as if this guy was exactly Tom Brady anyway, I don’t ever see him being anything but a backup for the rest of his career.
There is a big difference between being given a second chance to work in an office or some other middle class job.....and killing dogs, going to jail for it, and then just walking right into another easy job playing for the NFL earning more than many of us will make our entire lives.
I am all for him having a second chance because even felons deserve that, but not in the NFL.
How would you feel if OJ played football still.
HE WAS EVEN FOUND NOT GUILTY but never played again (granted, he likely wouldn’t anyway due to age). Yeah, the jury was rigged etc...but he was technically found not guilty and could have played if somebody would have taken him.
Now, here we have a man who was CONVICTED OF A FELONY OF TORTURING AND MURDERING DOGS NO LESS....and he gets to play again.
That’s what makes no sense.
ok, so all felons who serve their time should never be employed. gotcha, meg.
Ya know, that’s the same lame argument that the woman on the show tried to give. (the one who said he just made a mistake, and blamed his culture ... uh sure) No one is saying that he should never be employed anywhere.
The argument is whether he should be employed as a professional football player.
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