A Very Revealing Poll of Jewish Democrats

The Provocateur ^ | 08/10/2009 | Mike Volpe

[fiscon1]

Dick Morris cites a poll of Jewish Democrats and their views of Obama's policies towards Israel. Here is a summary. Jewish Democrats reject nearly in wholesale every specific policy that Obama has produced vis a vis Israel. They reject his tough policies on settlements. They reject his policy toward Iran. They reject his view that a Palestinian state is key for peace. In fact, by a 52-20 margin Jewish Democrats believe that.

[SolidWood]

Since Obama only got 77% of the Jewish vote --I wonder why such a high %

Maybe because not few Jews in the GOP are RINOs ala Coleman.

[cycjec]

Agree with the general tenor of your followup but calling
BHO a “National Socialist” isn’t quite accurated. National
Socialists were a derivative of the older Communist Socialists.
Haven’t quite gotten the right term for BHO: he’s a post
national Socialist, using internal divisive group strife
and imported non-citizens, I fear. See the recent thread
here on his half sisters praise of global citizenship.

[nathanbedford]

Just as Sarah Palin is the physical embodiment of the values held dear by conservative evangelicals, so Barack Obama is the figure of perfection for secular Jews.

To abandon Obama, secular Jews must abandon the belief structure which marks their culture. Perhaps more than any other ethnic group, American secular Jews have provided the intellectual framework which defines modern liberalism and the Democratic Party. Barack Obama personifies the very culmination of policies which Jews have advocated for generations.

There are many historic influences which have flowed together to create the American Jewish experience including pogroms in Russia, discrimination in America, diaspora, ghetto experience, a biblical injunction to leave the world better, a long tradition of socialism, and last but by no means least, an intellectual honesty, some might say a tendentiousness, in the rabbinical tradition which encourages disputation. In truth, one must acknowledge that there is also a degree of anti-evangelical bigotry which shapes the Jewish reaction to people like Sarah Palin. That same collection of influences makes it inevitable that such people would regard Barack Obama the very embodiment of their values.

[pfflier]

Yet they voted for him even when told he would do exactly what he is doing. I always wondered why 13 million willingly participated in their own deaths in WWII. I’m getting the picture.

[pfflier]

Yet they voted for him even when told he would do exactly what he is doing. I always wondered why 13 million willingly participated in their own deaths in WWII. I’m getting the picture.

[cycjec]

A book I re-read recently and will re-read soon: George Clare's Last Waltz in Vienna His memoirs of his Jewish family in Austria, c. 1838 - 1938. One quote will have to suffice: We were, of course, Social Democrat. What other party could a Jew vote for? The Social Democrats were at least officialy not anti-Semitic. Many of their leaders were Jews. Their conscious motives were absolutely their subconscious ones guilt and fear. The guilt and fear [was] the same that motivates so many middle class people today, who, ashamed of their inherited educational and social privileges turn to progressive causes so long as they can form an elite of the Left and enjoy more equality than others. Their fear was of the anti-Semitic mob. A party that stood first and foremost for equality obviously could not allow inequality between Austrians who were Jews and those who were not Hence every Social Democrat sensed a protective wall of non-Jewish Social Democrats around him. We all know how well *that* turned out. I should note that there's no excuse in America for calling Republicans or conservatives anti-Semites.

[SaraJohnson]

Liberal Jewish Americans may not support Obama’s Israel policy - somewhat - but, in the majority, they love his culture of death socialist proposal.

They don’t mind eldery and handicapped Americans being targeted for “health care savings.” They know centralized denial of care will kill off innocent people. They don’t mind the eldery living on a fixed income having their heating costs doubled with cap and trade (meaning a lot of them will freeze) in the name of global warming.

Both the domestic death policy and the Middle East death policy, go hand in hand. Jewish Liberals are like all other liberals, including Christian and Catholic ones.

[nvskibum]

In my opinion, many American Jews have intractable problems with conservatism for these reasons:

(1)They fear forced religious assimilation or proselytization by the government, which is perceived to be a problem for Jews gong back for centuries (Spanish inquisition, diaspora, etc). Thus, perhaps irrationally, they fear any attempt by religious conservatives to "impose" what they perceive to be religion-based social views through the political system (such as anti-abortion views). I don't know for sure, but would suspect that Jews actually have fewer abortions per capita than some other groups. To liberal Jews, it is the principle--no religion-based governmental mandates--that counts more than the underlying substance.

(2)Many American Jews of Eastern European descent are only a few generations removed from family members that were active socialists or communists (in the period 1900-1940), and were raised from birth on ideals of "social justice" drawn from those movements. In some ways, the lofty ideals of socialism became a substitute religion for those who did not formally practice their Jewish faith. Many of these Jews overlook the terrible practical results of socialism and communism for Jews and the general populace the Soviet Union and elsewhere because they did not experience that in the US, so reality has not tempered their ideals. <3> Jews have been active members or supporters of the civil rights movement since its inception, believing that when racial discrimination is eliminated by the government, society also will not tolerate religious discrimination. They may be very wrong about this connection, unfortunately.

Until Jews become willing to reassess these three deeply-seated beliefs, I believe that conservatives will have tough going in the American Jewish community.

[PapaBear3625]

Yet, despite this wholesale rejection of the individual parts of Obama's Israel policy, Jewish Democrats by 58-16 believe that Obama is doing a good job of promoting peace in the Middle East. Beyond this, 92% of all Jewish Democrats approve of the job Obama is doing overall.

My interpretation of this is that:

(1) Jewish Democrats understand that Obama's policies are bad for the long-term survival of Israel, and

(2) They don't care.

What the poll points out is that Israel is less important to them than their socialist agenda. They would rather Israel be destroyed than risk any chance that Roe v Wade be overturned.

[OA5599]

Muslims outnumber Jews in the USA

Not yet. While Islam is the fastest growing religion in the US, the numbers aren't yet on par with Judaism. Jews are the third largest religious affiliation in the US behind Christianity and atheism/no religion.

As of 2007, 1.7% of Americans considered themselves Jewish (whether on religious grounds or ethnic ones) and 0.7% consider themselves Muslim.

For a comparison, 78.4% consider themselves Christian, and 16.1% are not religious.

http://religions.pewforum.org/affiliations

[Boiling Pots]

Me either. For every “good” thing they’ve ever managed to do, we could probably list 50 “bad” things.

[uncbob]

I thought I had read at least 5 years ago that the muslims had passed the Jews

[Kenny Bunk]

If the written works of Muhammed, Adolph Hitler, and Barack H. Obama, Jr. have one thing in common: it is that they are all ignored by those who should read them until it is too late.

[Kenny Bunk]

An honest ping for you.

[cowboyusa]

Please pray for us Messianic Jews in this. It is the Gospel that they are rebelling against. God is lifting the veil on his people, but the enemy will fight. I know this because I lived 4 years with my family who are all unsaved and many vile and blasphemous things were said to me. GOD WILL BRAKE THROUGH HOWEEVER BECAUSE HE LOVES HIS PEOPLE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE REBELLOUS.

[uncbob]

Jews have been active members or supporters of the civil rights movement since its inception, believing that when racial discrimination is eliminated by the government, society also will not tolerate religious discrimination. They may be very wrong about this connection, unfortunately.

Ironic that the Jewish merchants and later the Asian merchants were the targets (burned out stores) of black rioters since the 60s whenever "Burn baby burn " occurred

And no neighborhoods emptied out faster when the blacks moved in than the Jewish enclaves in our big cities

[uncbob]

But you can’t deny the tremendous advances they have given to the world in science especially medicine

Their biggest problem is the one all liberals have —closed minds and absolute refusal to see that liberal policies are complete failures all around the world

[nathanbedford]

Hello cowboy. Are there a lot of Messianic Jews out there on the Prairie?

Seriously, I understand that Messianic Jews are buffeted from both sides. And I understand how tough these family matters can be.

[Boiling Pots]

In medicine, art, music...the list goes on and on.

Marxism, Bolshevism, the ACLU...the list goes on and on.

[nvskibum]

A lot of the movement by Jews from old, poorer urban neighborhoods arose after the second second generation of Jewish immigrants became more economically successful and entered the middle class.