Sarah Palin Is Pro Amnesty For Illegal Aliens - Univision Interview [Old news, 2008]

Diggers Realm ^ | October 24, 2008

[RebelYell1990]

Sarah Palin finally came out and made her stance on illegal immigration clear. She is pro amnesty for illegal aliens. In an interview to Univision she stated unequivocally that she is for a pathway to citizenship. In the same interview she says she is against amnesty for illegal aliens. Have your cake and eat it to, I think that is called.

Back on the same day that John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his vice-presidential candidate I started investigating Palin's past on illegal immigration. I invited others to send in anything they found. There was nothing on the record. Many did write in and said that Laura Ingraham said that one time she was talking to Palin and she said she was against amnesty. That was the only statement anywhere that could be found.

Now we know that she is against amnesty, all the while she is for it with a "pathway to citizenship".

You see this is what is wrong with these people. They think they can be on both sides of the issue at once and that simply isn't possible. You are either against amnesty or you are not. If you are for a pathway to citizenship for those who have illegally entered our country then you are pro-amnesty as you have virtually absolved them of all of their illegality.

People have bashed me for questioning "the Palin". They wrote in to say that obviously she is against illegal immigration. This was all wishful thinking and like so many other issues that the politicians have avoided, until they take a clear stance don't assume anything (and even then, if they're only saying it look at their record).

Sarah Palin is in lock-step with John McCain when it comes to amnesty for illegal aliens. Her answers are almost indistinguishable from McCain's, Obama's or even the most pro-illegal alien congressman in the house, Luis Gutierrez, for that matter.

Read it and weep.

Univision

Univision: Governor, let me ask you about immigration. How many undocumented immigrants are there in Alaska? Sarah Palin: I don't know, I don't know. That's a good question.

Univision: As governor, how do you deal with them? Do you think they all should be deported? Sarah Palin: There is no way that in the US we would roundup every illegal immigrant - there are about 12 million of the illegal immigrants - not only economically is that just an impossibility but that's not a humane way anyway to deal with the issue that we face with illegal immigration.

Univision: Do you then favor an amnesty for the 12 or 13 million undocumented immigrants? Sarah Palin: No, I do not. I do not. Not total amnesty. You know, people have got to follow the rules. They've got to follow the bar, and we have got to make sure that there is equal opportunity and those who are here legally should be first in line for services being provided and those opportunities that this great country provides.

Univision: To clarify, so you support a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants? Sarah Palin: I do because I understand why people would want to be in America. To seek the safety and prosperity, the opportunities, the health that is here. It is so important that yes, people follow the rules so that people can be treated equally and fairly in this country.

...

Univision: What is your strategy? How are you planning to win the latino vote? Sarah Palin: I will tell you, I wish that there were more hours in the day so that we can get out there and to more of the communities with such the strong Latino vote that is out there and really tell them that we desire to work for them. We are asking them to hire us and let us work for them.

Sickening we can't find a real leader in this country who cares about Americans first.

[wireplay]

Immigration is not invasion and anarchy is not the same as a constitutional republic. If immigration was an invasion we would never have settled this country.

Yes, she will abide by current statute but she will also try and return rights back to the States where it resides. How hard is it to just say that the states have the power here under the 10th amendment? We have drifted so far beyond what the country was founded upon that it is unbelievable.

Creeping central government into every aspect of our life.

[RebelYell1990]

I agree, immigration is not an invasion, illegal immigration is an invasion however. They marching by the millions across our southern border taking jobs,draining social services and using lobbies to wield political power to get amnesty and more immigrants from those pristine third world countries in which they resided. Those lobbies also collaborate in setting an American education agenda in public schools in which children are taught Americans stole the southwest from Mexico and it truly belongs to the illegals, and that we in fact are the illegals.

Ok, you heard it here, folks, Sarah Palin supports abolishing federal code, particularly on immigration, to allow people form south of the border to come here as they wish without documentation. Unlike you I don’t my central Government creeping into illegal’s lives and enforcing Federal Law.

[B-Chan]

Don’t worry, it seems that these people don’t care if America devolves into Tijuana as long as everyone gets a tax cut and they can buy cheap Chinese goods from Walmart.

Ding ding ding! You are correct!

[B-Chan]

You forgot the part about how we'll all "be safe" (even if such safety comes at the expense of our liberties and freedoms).

When did I ever advocate anything that would infringe the liberties of American citizens?

[B-Chan]

Immigration is not invasion

Illegal immigration is.

[MaxMax]

Ok, you heard it here, folks, Sarah Palin supports abolishing federal code,
particularly on immigration,

to allow people form south of the border to come here as they wish without documentation.

Did you forget the sarcasm tag?, Or are you just being a NOOB impostor?

[militanttoby]

RebelYell1990 = RomneyYell1990?

[RebelYell1990]

No, I don’t support CINOs

[Kimberly GG]

I get what you are saying....but, regarding your example, if she was able to say she was in opposition to McCain on ANWAR and was going to “work hard on McCain” on ANWAR....stands to reason she could have voiced as well her opposition to his position on illegal immigration/amnesty, afterall he WAS the author w/Kennedy on S2611. She could have voiced that, if elected, she would “work hard” to affect his position. But she did not. To my knowledge, the Univision interview is the only time she has voiced her opinion on a subject the affects the very sovereignty and security of our country, and if she truly opposed McCain, she had the opportunity to do so. In the end, I think it will be made clearer that her position IS the same as Bush/McCain. In the end, it will be interesting to see who continues to support her in spite of it.

[militanttoby]

You are obviously pushing a barrow here, but, one try ...

2 weeks out from the election. She was parachuted into the campaign. It is MCain’s campaign. He was meant to appeal to Latinos. The Republican ticket is behind, struggling not with conservatives, but with independents and Latinos (plus others). Her poll numbers in Alaska were plummeting with independents and democrats (she had been generally very popular). Illegal immigration in Alaska isn’t a real issue. She hasnt had to consider/address this as a MAJOR issue previously.

What would you say with all that, the first time the question is raised?

I’d guess you’d be careful, you’d equivocate. Not make it an issue?

That is what she seems to have done.

Politics ain’t simple.

[militanttoby]

“In the end, I think it will be made clearer that her position IS the same as Bush/McCain.”

That is a stretch. Remember ANWR is an Alaskan issue, her postion on that was well know, she had to stand up for that. If she lost as she did, she still had to go bacK!

Moreover, she understands her appeal is largely with conservatives.

For example, she has not expressed an opinion on Obamacare until Friday. Which way did she go? But we could have argued that because McCain was for healthcare reform, that she was too - in the exactly the same way. Is she? I doubt it, but nevertheless, wait for her views to come out, there is time.

Of course she could have said, NO NO NO, I don’t agree.

And it would have been endless ... Gov Palin, where do you stand on this and that and this and that? Like her own campaign?

To me, she doesn’t seem to have a lot of very similar opinions to McCain on a wide range of issues. Would she express that as a VP selected by McCain?

The only valid critizm that could be made is that if she didn’t agree with all of McCain’s positions, she shouldn’t have agreed to be the VP candidate, right? Or is it?

[SolidWood]

She had to tout the McCain line during the elections. Here is a recent tweet from her.

Palin Message on Driver's Licenses for Illegal Immigrants: "If u dont have legal right to walk down AKn street, why should u have right to drive same street?"

Would someone "pro-Amnesty" say that? I'm sure in the coming time we will get to know her true feelings on a lot of issues, as opposed to the McCain platform she had to share.

She did reluctantly defend also other McCain positions she did not agree on, like the Bailout and Cap and Trade. She forcefully rejected the latter recently.

[1035rep]

And as Americans first and Conservatives second we must stand against any and all politicians who stand against the rule of law and nation sovereignty.

 That covers ALL the Democrats.

[SolidWood]

See post 412.

[LifeComesFirst]

“Amnesty will grant those here the ability to get welfare”

Says who? A guest worker plan doesn’t have to include that. You’re just assuming.

[LifeComesFirst]

“America first.Americans first.Why dont you try that on for size.No to amnesty period.”

Okay, Americans first. As an American, I think I ought to have the right to hire who I want and the government shouldn’t stand in the way.

[LifeComesFirst]

“I hope your opinion continues to evolve to see the tremendous damage the illegals have done to our country.”

Whatever “damaged” they’ve done comes from abusing the American welfare system. Plenty of countries thrive on immigrant workers but do not roll out the welfare carpet for them like we do. Free trade, and free immigration, do not necessarily have anything to do with welfare abuse. You can open your borders to workers without using taxpayer money to support them.

[Man50D]

ICE will have to round up 3.5 million if your assumption and my assumption is correct.

Provide the data that buttresses your claim.

Both of our assumptions, however, are simply wild, wishful speculation.

My statement is hardly wild nor an assumption. You obviously haven't read the Federal Immigration and Nationality Act. Per the Act below:

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens Enforcement RICO —Citizen Recourse Tax Crimes Comment

Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii) "Any person who . . . encourages or induces an illegal alien to . . . reside . . . knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such . . . residence is . . . in violation of law, shall be punished as provided . . . for each illegal alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs . . . fined under title 18 . . . imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

· assists an illegal alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or · encourages that illegal alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or · knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions. ·

Penalties upon conviction include criminal fines, imprisonment, and forfeiture of vehicles and real property used to commit the crime. Anyone employing or contracting with an illegal alien without verifying his or her work authorization status is guilty of a misdemeanor. Aliens and employers violating immigration laws are subject to arrest, detention, and seizure of their vehicles or property. In addition, individuals or entities who engage in racketeering enterprises that commit (or conspire to commit) immigration-related felonies are subject to private civil suits for treble damages and injunctive relief.

Recruitment and Employment of Illegal Aliens

It is unlawful to hire an alien, to recruit an alien, or to refer an illegal alien for a fee, knowing the illegal alien is unauthorized to work in the United States. It is equally unlawful to continue to employ an illegal alien knowing that the illegal alien is unauthorized to work.

It is unlawful to hire any individual for employment in the United States without complying with employment eligibility verification requirements. Requirements include examination of identity documents and completion of Form I-9 for every employee hired. Employers must retain all I-9s, and, with three days' advance notice, the forms must be made available for inspection. Employment includes any service or labor performed for any type of remuneration within the United States, with the exception of sporadic domestic service by an individual in a private home. "Day laborers" or other casual workers engaged in any compensated activity (with the above exception) are employees for purposes of immigration law. An employer includes an agent or anyone acting directly or indirectly in the interest of the employer. For purposes of verification of authorization to work, employer also means an independent contractor, or a contractor other than the person using the illegal alien labor.

The use of temporary or short-term contracts cannot be used to circumvent the employment authorization verification requirements. If employment is to be for less than the usual three days allowed for completing the I-9 Form requirement, the form must be completed immediately at the time of hire.

An employer has constructive knowledge that an employee is an illegal unauthorized worker if a reasonable person would infer it from the facts. Constructive knowledge constituting a violation of federal law has been found where (1) the I-9 employment eligibility form has not been properly completed, including supporting documentation, (2) the employer has learned from other individuals, media reports, or any source of information available to the employer that the alien is unauthorized to work, or (3) the employer acts with reckless disregard for the legal consequences of permitting a third party to provide or introduce an illegal alien into the employer's work force. Knowledge cannot be inferred solely on the basis of an individual's accent or foreign appearance.

Actual specific knowledge is not required. For example, a newspaper article stating that ballrooms depend on an illegal alien work force of dance hostesses was held by the courts to be a reasonable ground for suspicion that unlawful conduct had occurred.

It is illegal for nonprofit or religious organizations to knowingly assist an employer to violate employment sanctions, regardless of claims that their convictions require them to assist illegal aliens. Harboring or aiding illegal aliens is not protected by the First Amendment. It is a felony to establish a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading any provision of federal immigration law. Violators may be fined or imprisoned for up to five years.

Encouraging and Harboring Illegal Aliens

It is a violation of law for any person to conceal, harbor, or shield from detection in any place, including any building or means of transportation, any illegal alien who is in the United States in violation of law. Harboring means any conduct that tends to substantially facilitate an alien to remain in the U.S. illegally. The sheltering need not be clandestine, and harboring covers aliens arrested outdoors, as well as in a building. This provision includes harboring an alien who entered the U.S. legally but has since lost his legal status.

An employer can be convicted of the felony of harboring illegal aliens who are his employees if he takes actions in reckless disregard of their illegal status, such as ordering them to obtain false documents, altering records, obstructing INS inspections, or taking other actions that facilitate the alien's illegal employment. Any person who within any 12-month period hires ten or more individuals with actual knowledge that they are illegal aliens or unauthorized workers is guilty of felony harboring. It is also a felony to encourage or induce an alien to come to or reside in the U.S. knowing or recklessly disregarding the fact that the alien's entry or residence is in violation of the law. This crime applies to any person, rather than just employers of illegal aliens. Courts have ruled that "encouraging" includes counseling illegal aliens to continue working in the U.S. or assisting them to complete applications with false statements or obvious errors. The fact that the alien is a refugee fleeing persecution is not a defense to this felony, since U.S. law and the UN Protocol on Refugees both require that a refugee must report to immigration authorities without delay upon entry to the U.S.

The penalty for felony harboring is a fine and imprisonment for up to five years. The penalty for felony alien smuggling is a fine and up to ten years' imprisonment. Where the crime causes serious bodily injury or places the life of any person in jeopardy, the penalty is a fine and up to twenty years' imprisonment. If the criminal smuggling or harboring results in the death of any person, the penalty can include life imprisonment. Convictions for aiding, abetting, or conspiracy to commit alien smuggling or harboring, carry the same penalties. Courts can impose consecutive prison sentences for each alien smuggled or harbored. A court may order a convicted smuggler to pay restitution if the illegal alien smuggled qualifies as a victim under the Victim and Witness Protection Act. Conspiracy to commit crimes of sheltering, harboring, or employing illegal aliens is a separate federal offense punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 or five years' imprisonment.

Enforcement

A person or entity having knowledge of a violation or potential violation of employer sanctions provisions may submit a signed written complaint to the INS office with jurisdiction over the business or residence of the potential violator, whether an employer, employee, or agent. The complaint must include the names and addresses of both the complainant and the violator, and detailed factual allegations, including date, time, and place of the potential violation, and the specific conduct alleged to be a violation of employer sanctions. By regulation, the INS will only investigate third-party complaints that have a reasonable probability of validity. Designated INS officers and employees, and all other officers whose duty it is to enforce criminal laws, may make an arrest for violation of smuggling or harboring illegal aliens.

State and local law enforcement officials have the general power to investigate and arrest violators of federal immigration statutes without prior INS knowledge or approval, as long as they are authorized to do so by state law. There is no extant federal limitation on this authority. The 1996 immigration control legislation passed by Congress was intended to encourage states and local agencies to participate in the process of enforcing federal immigration laws. Immigration officers and local law enforcement officers may detain an individual for a brief warrantless interrogation where circumstances create a reasonable suspicion that the individual is illegally present in the U.S. Specific facts constituting a reasonable suspicion include evasive, nervous, or erratic behavior; dress or speech indicating foreign citizenship; and presence in an area known to contain a concentration of illegal aliens. Hispanic appearance alone is not sufficient. Immigration officers and police must have a valid warrant or valid employer's consent to enter workplaces or residences. Any vehicle used to transport or harbor illegal aliens, or used as a substantial part of an activity that encourages illegal aliens to come to or reside in the U.S. may be seized by an immigration officer and is subject to forfeiture. The forfeiture power covers any conveyances used within the U.S.

RICO —Citizen Recourse

Private persons and entities may initiate civil suits to obtain injunctions and treble damages against enterprises that conspire to or actually violate federal alien smuggling, harboring, or document fraud statutes, under the Racketeer-Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (RICO). The pattern of racketeering activity is defined as commission of two or more of the listed crimes. A RICO enterprise can be any individual legal entity, or a group of individuals who are not a legal entity but are associated in fact, and can include nonprofit associations.

Tax Crimes

Employers who aid or abet the preparation of false tax returns by failing to pay income or Social Security taxes for illegal alien employees, or who knowingly make payments using false names or Social Security numbers, are subject to IRS criminal and civil sanctions. U.S. nationals who have suffered intentional discrimination because of citizenship or national origin by an employer with more than three employees may file a complaint within 180 days of the discriminatory act with the Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices, U.S. Department of Justice. In addition to the federal statutes summarized, state laws and local ordinances controlling fair labor practices, workers compensation, zoning, safe housing and rental property, nuisance, licensing, street vending, and solicitations by contractors may also apply to activities that involve illegal aliens.

Comment:

A comment and a published quote by Robert Gaffney, Attorney and County Executive of Suffolk County, LI, NY:

The statutory foundation of United States immigration law has always been the jurisdiction of the federal government, Congress and the federal courts. The preeminent laws concerning the employment of illegal aliens are found in the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. §~ 1101-1503), as amended by the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 CIRCA).

The law states it is a crime to assist an illegal alien who lacks employment authorization by referring him to an employer, or by acting as his or her employer, or as an agent for an employer. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324a(a)(1)(A) (Lexis 1997). Furthermore, it is unlawful to hire an individual for employment without complying with the employment eligibility requirements for every person hired. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324a(a)(l)(B) (Lexis 1997). Moreover, conduct tending substantially to facilitate illegal aliens remaining in the United States illegally, where there is knowledge or a reckless disregard of an illegal alien s unlawful status, is a crime, with escalating penalties, encompassed within the provisions of 1324. 8 U.S.C.S. § 1324(a)(l)(A)(iii) (Lexis 1997); United States v. Kim. 193 F-3d 567 (2d Cir. 1999), are considered employees for purposes of immigration law.

Federal authorities rounding up illegals at the work force will not only force those not caught to leave the country but punish those harboring illegals with imprisonment, fines and confiscation of property. Dry up the source of income for illegals and they will leave the country. It's easier to target businesses as there far fewer of them than individual illegal aliens but can effect just as many illegals. Palin's endorsement of amnesty supports violating federal law.

[traditional1]

"Climb down off your high-horse" Kimberly."

Yeah, my "high horse" happens to be:

If someone breaks into your home (the USA), you think I should be OBLIGATED (via taxes) by the Gubmint to:

Feed, clothe, educate, provide medical services, grant them automatic family membership (citizenship), house them, etc.?

Get a grip....the illegal squatters usurp the system, account for nearly 1/2 the un-insured that we will have trillions of dollars assigned to the new socialized medicine to cover them, and you think I'm on a "high horse"?

I don't THINK so.....

[traditional1]

I agree with all you identified.

Further, one of the largest corrective measures to stem the tide of the invasion is to re-visit the "automatic citizenship" that is WRONGLY given AUTOMATICALLY to anchor babies.

Just because a foreigner is illegally (or LEGALLY) on U.S. soil and has a baby does NOT automatically make that baby a U.S. Citizen, which the Courts erroneously ruled some time ago. NO WAY should American taxpayers be saddled with the cost, nor should the anchor babies be U.S. Citizens automatically at birth.

If someone broke into my house, had a baby, that is NOT a member of my family "automatically", which is exactly what the anchor baby becomes in the USA.