Posted on 07/24/2009 9:32:50 PM PDT by MissTickly
CNN President Jon Klein sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” just as the program went to air, informing them that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded all paper documents in 2001
TVNewser has learned CNN/U.S. president Jon Klein sent an email to a handful of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” staffers last night regarding the coverage of the so-called birthers and the validity of Pres. Obama’s birth in the U.S.
In part, Klein writes, “It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.” Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn’t produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama’s original birth certificate.
Read More Here:
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/jon_klein_on_birthers_it_seems_this_story_is_dead_122546.asp#more
My Researcher:
October 2008, Hawaiian officials reported that they had personally verified the existence of Barack Obama’s original birth certificate: State officials say there’s no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino says she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
Fukino says that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently from any other. She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest in it.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
WHY ALL THE LIES? SOMETHING IS FISHY. THEY DISCARDED IT 8 YEARS AGO, YET SEEN IT IN 2008?
From U.S. Passport web site:
*A certified birth certificate has a registrar’s raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.
Obama passport files violated; 2 workers at State fired; 1 rebuked (March 22, 2008)
http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/isn/2008-q1/0384.html
Passport files of candidates breached (Mar 21, 2008)
Records of Clinton, McCain, Obama inappropriately accessed, officials say
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23736254/
Obama’s Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach (Jan. 12, 2009)
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/brennan_passport_breach/2009/01/12/170430.html
“They looked at the McCain and Clinton files as well to create confusion,” one knowledgeable source told Newsmax. “But this was basically an attempt to cauterize the Obama file.”
The passport files include “personally identifiable information such as the applicant’s name, gender, social security number, date and place of birth, and passport number,” according to the inspector general report.
The files may contain additional information including “original copies of the associated documents,” the report added. Such documents include birth certificates, naturalization certificates, or oaths of allegiance for U.S.-born persons who adopted the citizenship of a foreign country as minors.
You are right. But the State Controlled Media is already starting to back off. They know what very little of their credibility that is left, is at stake. The rats are starting to jump ship. There is no honor among theives.
The media should rot in hell.
What do you say to post #51 and #58 then?
““...has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.””
Again and not to sound frustrated: I get what you are saying.
But, can I please add to that my point about CNN reporting the exact same thing: “Obama’s original birth certificate “ as being destroyed in 2001.
Same EXACT words. One would assume they wouldn’t report the same EXACT thing as being destroyed when they verified it’s existence last year. One would think they would be able to distinguish between what was destroyed and what they verified if they were NOT the same thing.
Yes, I get what you are saying, and I am saying CNN said what they verified is now said to have been destroyed.
Dunno..maybe poster doesn’t understand “abstract”? BTW, I just printed the paragraph from the Passport web site. I’ve no beef with you! I’m just as curious as the rest. :)
Friday, July 24, 2009
Help us out: Can you ID woman at Castle town hall?
The News Journal • July 24, 2009
We’re trying to identify the woman who questioned Rep. Mike Castle about Obama’s citizenship at a recent town hall meeting in Georgetown.
If you know her and how we can reach her, please email Metro Editor Phil Freedman at pfreedman@delawareonline.com.
The woman, wearing a red shirt, was captured on video at the June 30 town hall meeting on health care reform. Toting an American flag and her own U.S. birth certificate, she asked Castle why people are ignoring the president’s birth certificate. She said Obama is a citizen of Kenya, not the U.S.
The crowd applauded and cheered as she yelled, “I don’t want this flag to change! I want my country back!”
Castle, attempting to correct her, said, “If you’re referring to the president there, he is a citizen of the United States.”
The crowd then heckled him as he reiterated that Obama is indeed a U.S. citizen.
Allegations that Obama is not a U.S. citizen have been refuted by state officials in Hawaii, who say they’ve checked health department records and verified that Obama was born there on Aug. 4, 1961.
Drudge Report linked to the YouTube video on Monday with this headline: “VIDEO: Congressman’s town hall erupts over Obama birth certificate ... ”
As of this afternoon, the video had been viewed more than 430,000 times.
The June 30 forum was one of three Castle held in Delaware, bringing together panelists that included medical experts, patient advocates and local officials to discuss health care reform with constituents.
(THE MSM TRYING TO FIND THIS WOMAN)
Yes... but note... same words, but it’s the *word* that they leave out that is the key...
CNN means — “Obama’s original birth certificate” destroyed (”paper” left out)
Hawaii mean — “original birth certificate on record” kept (”digital” left out)
Does that explain what I mean by the *key* is the word that they *left out*.... (”paper” — versus — “digital”).
I already told another poster on this passport issue that I was going to go down to the Post Office myself, next week and bring my birth certificate along and find out exactly what they required... :-)
Again, great work.
Place of residence does NOT mean place of birth.
If they have the original certificate (digital) why would they tell CNN they no longer have the original (paper or digital)? The issue being dead as a result.
Again, there’s a big lie here.
Fourth State Department Worker Pleads to Passport Snooping
http://www.cio.com/article/497042/Fourth_State_Department_Worker_Pleads_to_Passport_Snooping
Fri, July 10, 2009 — IDG News Service — A fourth person who has worked for the U.S. Department of State has pleaded guilty to a charge connected to illegally accessing confidential electronic passport records, the U.S. Department of Justice said.
William A. Celey, 27, of Washington, D.C., pleaded guilty Friday in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to one count of unauthorized computer access.
Since mid-December, three other State Department employees have been sentenced to probation and community service or fines for illegally snooping on passport application files.
Celey worked as a contract employee for the State Department as a file assistant, from August 2003 to July 2004, the DOJ said. Celey had access to State Department computer databases, including the Passport Information Electronic Records System (PIERS), which contains all imaged passport applications dating back to 1994.
The imaged passport applications on PIERS contain the applicant's full name, date and place of birth, current address, telephone numbers, parent information, spouse's name and emergency contact information. These confidential files are protected by the Privacy Act of 1974, and access by State Department employees is limited to official government duties.
Celey acknowledged in his plea that between June 22 and July 15, 2004, he logged onto the PIERS database and viewed the passport applications of more than 75 celebrities, actors, models, musicians, athletes, record producers and a politician. Celey had no official government reason to access and view these passport applications, but his sole purpose in viewing them was “idle curiosity,” the DOJ said.
Celey was among a group of about five State Department employees or contractors who were targeted for prosecution after March 2008 news reports of employees there accessing the electronic passport files of three presidential candidates, Senators John McCain, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. The inspector general’s office at the State Department later found that there had been widespread breaches of PIERS. Obama was elected president in November, and he appointed Clinton secretary of state in charge of the State Department.
The inspector general’s office looked at the passport files of 150 politicians, entertainers and athletes and found that 127 of those passports had been accessed at least once between September 2002 and March 2008. Those passport files were accessed 4,148 times during that period, and one person's passport was searched 356 times by 77 users.
Those reports prompted members of the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee to call for prosecutions of the passport snoopers.
Celey is the fourth current or former State Department employee to plead guilty in this investigation.
In September, Lawrence C. Yontz, a former foreign service officer and intelligence analyst, pleaded guilty to unlawfully accessing nearly 200 passport files. Yontz was sentenced on Dec. 19 to 12 months of probation and ordered to perform 50 hours of community service.
In January, Dwayne F. Cross, a former administrative assistant and contract specialist, pleaded guilty to unlawfully accessing more than 150 confidential passport files. On March 23, Cross was sentenced to 12 months of probation and ordered to perform 100 hours of community service.In January, Gerald R. Lueders, a former foreign service officer, watch officer and recruitment coordinator, pleaded guilty to unlawfully accessing more than 50 confidential passport files. Lueders was sentenced Wednesday to one year of probation and ordered to pay a US$5,000 fine.
Celey is scheduled to be sentenced on Oct. 23.
How about the American people, what we don't count as persons with a tangible interest????????????
Tangible:
I would say We The people definitely have a “tangible interest” in this document. Wouldn’t you say?
No doubt about it, that break-in to the passport files is directly linked to Obama trying to cover his tracks. No doubt about it.
“(THE MSM TRYING TO FIND THIS WOMAN)”
They want to give her the “joe the plumber” treatment.
The officials of the state have already made it clear that you and I don’t have a tangible interest...
Someone else has already gone to court to try and get it... :-) It didn’t work.
I’ve said, continuously since the election, that if people want to get Obama’s birth certificate, then they are going to have to get state laws passed that make it mandatory for a candidate to produce his birth certificate or else he cannot get on the ballot.
Short of that, I’m pretty sure that nothing else is going to work...
It's such a joy to enter a rare books collection in a library, and read and handle books that were printed 500 years ago. Given careful preservation, they will be readable 500 years from now.
You said — If they have the original certificate (digital) why would they tell CNN they no longer have the original (paper or digital)? The issue being dead as a result.
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Well, keep in mind, the reporters are going to be asking questions of the state official that they called up — and in the news report, you’re not going to get everything that they talked about (the reporter to the state official) but only what they want to report on the news, so the state official may have explained it all very thoroughly, but CNN is only going to report what fits well into their story.
However, one thing you can count on, is that no matter what CNN did *not* report about, in the conversation that they had with the state official — the thing that CNN *did say* (on the news report) is going to be accurate, factually speaking.
So, when CNN says that the State of Hawaii converted over to a digital system in 2001, you can count on that (it’s “factual”). When CNN says that the paper copy of the birth certificate has been discarded, you can count on that (again, factually speaking).
You’ll note that the thing that CNN is not being really clear about (the part they are leaving out, or not explaining very well) is that the State of Hawaii made a digital image of the birth certificate before it was discarded. So, actually, whatever is printed from that digital image will be exactly what someone would get anyway, even if they were making a photocopy of it from a paper copy.
It’s really not a “conspiracy” here, it’s differing viewpoints and different reasons for saying what they say. CNN is giving “news” and not all news is what they want to give. The State of Hawaii is simply stating something that they’ve been asked about a lot (i.e., the Obama Birth Certificate) but they don’t want to go into those details of throwing away an original paper copy, so they use “language” that covers it, without really giving you a true clue as to what they mean. But, when you go back over it again, in the future, you see the language is such that you can mean it either way... :-)
And so it goes...
I cannot find anything that states Hawaii destroys paper. Do you have a source?
It don't make a lick of sense to me to destroy original documents, that's my opinion; but I cannot find anything that says that Hawaii stored or destroyed the original documents.
I come from a time of second and third generation mainframes and PC DOS / original Windows toys -- we'd have been shot if we destroyed the paper.
You said — It’s such a joy to enter a rare books collection in a library, and read and handle books that were printed 500 years ago. Given careful preservation, they will be readable 500 years from now.
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I’m sure it is a joy and interesting and really “something” to do that. It’s like going into museums... but society doesn’t operate as a museum. And so, while we enjoy museums — we live in the 22nd Century...
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