CNN says that Hawaii couldn't have verified Obama's Original B.C. last year--who's lying?

Count Us Out ^

[Star Traveler]

Here’s a transcript of the Lou Dobbs show, specifically pertaining to that report.

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Meanwhile the State of Hawaii says it can’t release a paper copy of the President’s original birth certificate, becasuse, they say the state government discarded the original document when the Health Department records went electronic some eight years ago.

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Face Off: Obama’s Birth Certificate
Thursday, 7/23/2009

President Obama promised transparency in government… yet the White House won’t release his original birth certificate. Many Americans are asking… why not? The mainstream liberal media is attacking me for simply asking the question. Meanwhile… the state of Hawaii says it cannot release a paper copy of the president’s original birth certificate because it discarded the original document when its health department records went electronic eight years ago. That explanation has not satisfied critics though. Joining Lou: Roland Martin, CNN contributor and syndicated columnist, and Congressman Ted Poe.

Here’s the link, but shows “roll off” so this is a link from the date of 7/24/2009. I can’t say the link will display this show (as I give you above) in the days to come.

http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/

[Star Traveler]

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/jon_klein_on_birthers_it_seems_this_story_is_dead_122546.asp#more

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FRIDAY, JUL 24

Jon Klein on Birthers: “It Seems This Story is Dead”

TVNewser has learned CNN/U.S. president Jon Klein sent an email to a handful of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” staffers last night regarding the coverage of the so-called birthers and the validity of Pres. Obama’s birth in the U.S.

In part, Klein writes, “It seems this story is dead- because anyone who still is not convinced doesn’t really have a legitimate beef.” Klein asked CNN researchers to dig into the question of why Obama couldn’t produce the original birth certificate. The researchers contacted the Hawaii Health Dept. and confirmed that paper documents were discarded in 2001 when the department went paperless. That reportedly includes Pres. Obama’s original birth certificate.

[OL Hickory]

Look up the statement from the Hawaiian dept of health again
and read the entire thing....Hawaiian officials STATED they had a birth certificate on record....not that he was born there.

[Star Traveler]

You said — Hawaiian officials STATED they had a birth certificate on record....not that he was born there.

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They can’t give out information that is on the birth certificate... :-)

Hoo-boy! That was way too easy...

[MissTickly]

Again, that was the author of the article, not I that wrote that.

[MissTickly]

I didn’t write this article.

“Look up the statement from the Hawaiian dept of health again
and read the entire thing....Hawaiian officials STATED they had a birth certificate on record....not that he was born there.”

[Spaulding]

This issue is what is called a “Red Herring”. As Obama, his attorneys, Patrick Leahy and all other senators, Justice Ginsberg and certainly all other justices understand is whether Obama is a natural born citizen. A birth certificate with Obama senior’s name would confirm that he is not natural born because his father was was not a US Citizen. Justice Ginsberg, in a case heard in 2001, Nguyen v. INS, was upset to discover that her grandson, born of American Citizens in Paris, is not a natural born citizen, for the same reasons McCain is not. It is a restrictive provision for the reason that president of the United States is the most important role a citizen can play in our government. The allegiances of a president, or any child, are most likely to be affected by the allegiances of his parents. Obama, if his father is the Kenyan of that name, does not come close. The father was here on a student visa. The rule, challenged at least 24 times, from Article II Section 1, a term of art confirmed and cited any many supreme court decisions, is that both parents must be citizens, and born on our soil. Only an amendment to the constitution can change that. The precedence goes at least to 1814 in The Venus. http://supreme.justia.com/us/12/253/

I suspect the observations about micofiche records, or digital scans of the microfiche in vaults are correct. We should all worry that no one of the many sworn to defend the constitution has asked for access to those records, though with the current attorney general and CIA chief, I am not surprised. Instead of chasing hidden documents, ask our leaders to honor their oath to defend the constitution. Send them copies of Chief Justice John Marshall's prevailing decision in The Venus,http://supreme.justia.com/us/12/253/ , 14th Amendment author Bingham’s speech to congress, Patrick Leahy’s Senate Res 511 from 2008 http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

This is not the mystery it seems. Obama and his supporters do not respect the constitution. They have purposefully ignored his noncompliance with Article II, I think because, McCain's similar non-compliance was an opportunity, and McCain had well-deserved weakness with conservative voters. Many new-left academics believe being a natural born citizen is a relic, including Obama law firm associate Sarah Herlihy writing for Chicago-Kent Law Review in 2006 a brief about amending the natural born citizen requirement. Sunstein, Thomas Friedman, Barney Frank, a phalanx of Obama supporters are cited. http://www.scribd.com/doc/12873456/Amending-the-Natural-Born-Citizen-Requirement-Sarah-p-Herlihy-Feb-22-2006
You think they don't all know the law? These people want the government Obama, the “Don't doubt me!” community activist, with an extra bit of melanin from goodness knows where, was their Sham Wow guy. They won't challenge his eligibility. Republicans have known, because the issue arose in McCain's prior attempts to run for president, and in numerous congressional hearings while he was running; they didn't speak up because of McCains problems.

Now the luster is off, and we must demand that Obama’s eligibility be examined. There are many who will be injured if this question is not addressed. The Supreme Court does have jurisdiction to resolve a purely constitutional question; it does not need to wait for an appeal (from Marbuy v. Madison). Military officers are required by military law to affirm the validity of the source of an order. If Obama didn't lie about who his father was, he is ineligible. If he did lie, he is impeachable.

[MissTickly]

I think the “verified he was born there” thing came from an AP article. And I am sure it was opinion, not reality.

[Star Traveler]

In this particular case, the first name is the “receiver” of the post, the second name (and 3rd, 4th and so on) is the “pingee”...

In other words, you were pinged because “OL Hickory” was writing to you...

[Macgedos]

What a bunch of crap. I have my birth certificate at my house
to prove I was born and not hatched. How did he do all the
things that he has done, college, travel the world,pass ports,etc without revealing a birth certificate?
You can bet there was some “shy-town tactics behind the scene from Obama and crew Rahm,Holder+ that slipped the message to
Jon Klein (pres. CNN) to stop Loy Dobbs because Dobbs was doing a pretty good job of fact finding on the birth certificate issue. He was probably threatened with ACORN’S !
There is no birth certificate for for BO unless his grandmother in Kenya has it hidden.

[MissTickly]

gotcha...it’s the “you said” stuff that’s throwing me..

[WilliamofCarmichael]

Thank you for the response but CNN is your source? I've already read that.

Did I misread or CNN is your source?

CNN always Factual?

You mean like reporting that U.S. air strikes target Saddam's baby milk factories (1st Gulf War)? You mean like U.S. forces in Viet Nam targeting American "defectors" in a village base camp in Laos (Tailwind)? You mean like CNN news chief Eason Jordan claiming at a Devos meeting that U.S. forces target journalists in Iraq? You mean hiding the crimes of Saddam all throughout the 1990s? . . . . That CNN?

CNN, the most busted news source.

[Star Traveler]

Well, I think you’ll find that if the report that Hawaii discarded the original paper of what they digitized is a report in error — we’ll hear about that error quickly...

This is not a backwater story... :-)

[WilliamofCarmichael]

RE: "if the report that Hawaii discarded the original paper of what they digitized is a report in error — we’ll hear about that error quickly"

That should be true but until then there is no irrefutable source that Hawaii literally destroyed legacy documents.

My position vis-à-vis Obama is why doesn't just release the long form and end all this?

I'm suffering from truth delay.

This could all be over with if President Obama would simply release his long form birth certificate.

All we are saying
is give release a chance.

[Star Traveler]

You said — My position vis-à-vis Obama is why doesn’t just release the long form and end all this?

This could all be over with if President Obama would simply release his long form birth certificate.

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Well, I’ve answered this one several times before. There’s no “upside” for him to release it. There’s no benefit. It serves him better to keep it as it is right now.

There may be a benefit to you and me, but there’s no benefit to Obama....

[esquirette]

This is so 1984.

[Brytani]

Since you do not know it, Polarik is a Freeper who has been smeared ruthlessly by the left for his investigation into the COLB issue. The blogger you are quoting from has been one of the most viscious in leading this smear-job.

Polarik, whom by the way has a MS and a PhD, has been completely forthcoming with his real name, credentials, background and research criteria. His work on the COLB issue has been certified and peer reviewed by other professional forensic document examiners including a 20+ yr veteran of the FBI (or she worked for the CIA) and “go to person” for fraudulent document studies in the United States.

Polarik takes the task the very person whose opinion you are quoting from and shows piece by piece how this person not only distorted Polarik’s work but in fact fabricated “evidence”, lied and misrepresented the conclusions reached in the almost year long investigation Polarik performed.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2136816/posts to get you started.

[kenth]

That was one more reason the left and leftist media picked McCain for us, to allow 0 to ride in under the same cover of birth.

[this is my country]

Justice Ginsberg, in a case heard in 2001, Nguyen v. INS, was upset to discover that her grandson, born of American Citizens in Paris, is not a natural born citizen, for the same reasons McCain is not.

Was this case heard by the Supreme Court?

[Uncle Chip]

I cannot find anything that states Hawaii destroys paper. Do you have a source? It don't make a lick of sense to me to destroy original documents, that's my opinion; but I cannot find anything that says that Hawaii stored or destroyed the original documents. I come from a time of second and third generation mainframes and PC DOS / original Windows toys -- we'd have been shot if we destroyed the paper.

Exactly --

All we have is a statement from Lou Dobbs saying that he got an "e-mail" from his boss Jon Klein who says that researchers from CNN said ...

And we are supposed to believe this???? Get real.

Hey Lou, tell Jon to tell us just exactly who your researchers spoke with in Hawaii. Let's have the name of the person who said this, and/or the e-mail. Surely a credible researcher would have more than an anonymous remark from an anonymous Hawaiian staffer. Give us the who, what, when, ... -- if you can.

Otherwise Jon your credibility and that of your network and researchers have dropped to a new low in myth prefabrication and taken Lou Dobb's reputation with it.