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To: Polarik
Then why do you repeat, ad nauseum, that Pbama was born in Hawaii? I counted about six times in a row where you said that. You made it as a statement of fact.

The author never said, not one single time, that Obama was born in Hawaii. Every instance of a statement regarding Obama's birth in Hawaii was prefaced with an if or was in reference to what someone other than the author believes. He made no such statements of fact. On the contrary, he made a concerted effort to be clear that there is considerable doubt as to whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii.

99 posted on 06/22/2009 12:46:37 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan
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To: BuckeyeTexan

You may not see it, but Tounchen is playing an intentionally twisted game of semantics here, putting qualifiers on things that do not need to be qualified, like “prove” and “verify” and “believe,” which is classic LEFTIST LIBERAL DISINFORMATION. He repeatedly uses the term, “believe,” as a meaningless qualifier. Nobody can say what another person “believes” on any given day.

Think Clinton, vis-a-vis Lewinsky:

“I did not have SEX with that woman,” (Was Bubba defining SEX for the purposes of his impeachment proceedings, and did he BELIEVE that he did not have sex? A lie is a lie.).

It is the same old baloney that I got from the trolls who would say things like, “Well you haven’t proven anything,” and “You haven’t seen the document,” and “Only a forensic document examiner can do that,” and so on. His intent should be obvious, really, as he keeps setting up one straw man after another with the intent to have us believe that Obama was born in Hawaii.

EVERYONE knows the straw men of the Left in regards to anything that Obama is hiding. They begin something like this:

“Well, if X is true about Obama, don’t you think that Hillary would have known? Don’t you think that she would have done Y”

These are the “Don’t you think” rhetorical questions I mentioned in my review.

They are similar to Socratic reasoning where A is the premise, B is the qualifier, and C is the conclusion. Note how I use his actual statements below:

A. The State of Hawaii would not have knowingly issued a Hawaiian birth certificate to anyone born outside of Hawaii.

B. The President’s original 1961 birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii.

C. Therefore, the President was born in Hawaii.

Now, here are all of his “Obama was born in Hawaii” quotes [along with my comments in brackets]:

1. President Obama has published, on the Internet, a digital photograph of a computer-generated short-form Certification of Life Birth. [Premise: a Hawaiian document that says he was born in Hawaii +1]

2. The President’s original 1961 birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii.[Another premise +2]

3. Birthers do not dispute either of these two facts. [another iteration of the same claim +3]

3. Nonetheless, there is little doubt that President Obama’s original Hawaiian birth certificate says he was born in Hawaii. [another iteration of the same claim +4]

4. Under the laws that were in effect in Hawaii when Barack Obama was born, the State of Hawaii would not have knowingly issued a Hawaiian birth certificate to anyone born outside of Hawaii.[the Hawaiian straw man +5]

5. Under this Act, Hawaiian birth certificates were issued only to individuals who were believed to be born in Hawaii. [another iteration of the Hawaiian Hawaiian straw man +6]

6. A subsequent law, enacted in 1955, reaffirmed the fact that Hawaiian birth certificates were given only to individuals who were believed to be Hawaii-born. [another iteration of the Hawaiian straw man +7]

7. In 1961, the State of Hawaii would not have issued a birth certificate to Barack Obama unless the State believed he was born in Hawaii. [another iteration of the Hawaiian straw man +8]

8. Barack Obama’s original 1961 typewritten birth certificate undoubtedly says he was born in Hawaii. [another iteration of the same claim +9]

9. Barack Obama’s original Hawaiian birth certificate, by its mere existence, shows that the State of Hawaii believed he was born in Hawaii. [Conclusion: reached by knocking down all of the straw men. +10]

That’s TEN repetitions of the same argument, or nine too many.

I rest my case.


100 posted on 06/22/2009 2:03:49 PM PDT by Polarik
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Based on the actual facts and time line, I think the odds that he was born in Hawaii are slim and none and slim left town.


101 posted on 06/22/2009 2:46:44 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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