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Photo: sea levels actually lower than 1841!
Doug Ross @ Journal ^ | Feb. 15, 2009 | Doug Ross

Posted on 02/15/2009 4:12:11 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

Global warming alarmists promote several hysterical themes including "rising sea levels". The supposedly rising oceans are "evidence" of the catastrophic effect of humans on global temperatures. Problem is, like most anthropogenic global warming (AGW) marketing, it's an utter fabrication.

Check out this photograph:


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TOPICS: Weather
KEYWORDS: catastrophism
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To: gleeaikin; xcamel

Justify your assumption that the icecaps over Greenland will melt.

Global average temperatures the past ten years have decreased. Before that, over the entire previous century, they rose - AND FELL - continuously over the same 1/2 of one degree range.

Today, global temperatures are 2/10 of ONE degree higher than baseline - and that “baseline” was at the one of the coldest periods in the entire century.

Greenland ice is stable, increasing in the center of the island. Recent melts near the edge have stopped ( in places), reversed (in places) and been steady (in places.) Antarctica ice in increasing.


61 posted on 02/15/2009 9:50:40 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: wideminded; philly-d-kidder
Nobody ever explains why Greenland was under water in the Leif Erickson times ...

Minor misunderstanding here: During the Medieval Warm Period - when worldwide temperatures were hotter than now but CO2 from man was negligible - Greenland was much warmer than now, and many crops and farms were successful for many centuries.

The island, however, while a bit warmer than now, was not underwater. The OCEAN LEVEL during the same period - when it was warmer globally than now - DID NOT RISE compared to today's level.

Rising sea levels, melting Greenland glaciers are a mindless propagandizing scare tactic used by the enviro’s to further their agenda. They CANNOT be justified by today's temperatures, temperature trends, not today's observations.

62 posted on 02/15/2009 9:58:03 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: philly-d-kidder

There isn’t anything in any of your links about Greenland flooding. And why would it flood during a cold period?


63 posted on 02/16/2009 4:49:00 AM PST by SampleMan (I'm not drinking the kool aid! Is it 2013 yet?)
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To: SampleMan

It was during the period when the entire area was under water! They Called it the Short warming period.... it happened... everybody left Greenland it couldn’t grow Food because it was a swamp like! If It was really hot maybe it could grow rice!


64 posted on 02/16/2009 2:55:17 PM PST by philly-d-kidder (May God Bless America and ALL Freepers!)
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To: wideminded

let me tell you what they say in Rye England in the 16th century The Pub i went to on sundays was a the Beach area Now One Mile From the coast! They Clainm That England is sinking in the North and Rye is on the Opposite end of that Phenomenom!


65 posted on 02/16/2009 3:02:04 PM PST by philly-d-kidder (May God Bless America and ALL Freepers!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; cogitator; Gondring; neverdem; PROCON; Delacon; Thunder90; steelyourfaith; ...

I wonder what the tectonic activity has been there (has the seabed been rising or falling?)


66 posted on 02/16/2009 5:05:46 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

IIRC, ice that’s on land will cause the sea level to rise as it melts and adds its mass to the seawater.


67 posted on 02/16/2009 5:07:13 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: philly-d-kidder
It was during the period when the entire area was under water! They Called it the Short warming period.... it happened... everybody left Greenland it couldn’t grow Food because it was a swamp like! If It was really hot maybe it could grow rice!

I think you are misreading something. Most of Greenland (not counting ice) is well above see level running from hundreds of feet to thousands of feet. If all the ice in the world completely melted, it would only raise the sea levels 150 feet.

So how did Greenland get completely flooded c. 1600 AD without also flooding all of Florida and most of Southern England?

I think you are reading about one particular area of Greenland where warmer wheather turned the permafrost into mud.

68 posted on 02/16/2009 5:09:28 PM PST by SampleMan (I'm not drinking the kool aid! Is it 2013 yet?)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

“Why in the hell would the sea rise anyway?”

If you leave the hose running?


69 posted on 02/16/2009 5:10:31 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: SampleMan

the article clearly stated they all left it was inhabitable..meaning you couldn’t grow Food! it was a marsh in warmer period!


70 posted on 02/16/2009 5:20:55 PM PST by philly-d-kidder (May God Bless America and ALL Freepers!)
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To: stylin19a
I wonder..can the mark be seen today ?....

This is old info from john-daly.com.

71 posted on 02/16/2009 5:21:57 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U
What?

Duh!

72 posted on 02/16/2009 5:23:03 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: philly-d-kidder
the article clearly stated they all left it was inhabitable..meaning you couldn’t grow Food! it was a marsh in warmer period!

And you derived from this that Greenland was completely flooded exactly how? My father's farm in Missouri is a marsh in the Spring, that doesn't make it flooded.

Besides which, people didn't come to Greenland until 985AD, which was during the warmest period in the last 2000 years. All of those settlers' decendents were frozen out of Greenland by the Little Ice Age and were completely gone by 1500 due to the cold climate. So your "warm period" exodus (c.1600) doesn't make much sense.

73 posted on 02/16/2009 5:31:31 PM PST by SampleMan (I'm not drinking the kool aid! Is it 2013 yet?)
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To: SampleMan

Look If You can’t read the article I can’t explain it to YOU Sorry! what You wrote about your dads Farm has Nothing to do with a warm period in an Ice age..Thanks But Your Silt Theory doesn’t fly either Thanks!


74 posted on 02/16/2009 5:41:01 PM PST by philly-d-kidder (May God Bless America and ALL Freepers!)
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To: philly-d-kidder

Silt, as in the erosion and growth of shorelines, isn’t my theory. It happens. Its fact.

I don’t think that you fully understand what you have read, or you’ve read nonsense. You are stating that a warming period happened in the middle of the Little Ice age (1600AD), which managed to raise the Atlantic ocean hundreds of feet around Greenland but no where else, and that this flooding drove away settlers who had already died out over 100 years before. And then you get in a huff. Facts are stubborn things and in light of them I’m certain that I cannot align your statements with reality.


75 posted on 02/16/2009 5:52:52 PM PST by SampleMan (I'm not drinking the kool aid! Is it 2013 yet?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Where does the ice come from, another planet?


76 posted on 02/16/2009 7:02:56 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Ice is water, is ice, is water.

Doesn’t ice come from moisture already on earth?

How does ice get to be a larger area just because it changes from water to ice, visa-versa?

Does ice take up the same amount of space once it has melted back to water or does it get larger?

I’m just trying to understand. Anyone?


77 posted on 02/16/2009 7:15:37 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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To: Gondring
I looked at the 1999 picture and tide seems lower in the 2004 picture.

I was just wondering what it looks 5 years later.

78 posted on 02/16/2009 8:06:53 PM PST by stylin19a (Obama - the ethical exception asterisk administration)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

If water evaporates off the ocean, the ocean level will drop and the water will be in the air. Now, when it snows onto land, that water (snow) is on the land and is still not raising the sea level.

Then the snow piles up, packs down, squeezes into ice..which—despite being compressed—is still greater in volume than it would be if it were liquid water.

Now, go mark the sea level.

Then, if that ice melts, the water flows off the land into the ocean, and sea level rises. Your mark will be higher after the warming. (Just like a glass of water filled to the brim will overflow if you melt an ice cube in your hand and let the water run into it...like ice melting from land would do to the ocean.)

Of course, that’s for ice on land, such as Greenland or Antarctica, and I have neglected factors like salinity changes, the expansion of liquid water with temperature changes, etc.


79 posted on 02/16/2009 8:13:13 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
With all due respect, and I'm no fan of Globull Warming, land does rise and fall, as do oceans. Not only that, the US and Europe are also moving farther apart, about 1~2 inches per year. There's actually a trench in Iceland (IIRC) that is on the dividing plates, and it can be measured there. Hawaii gets several cubic feet of new landmass per year.

The Earth and her climate are not static, they change.

80 posted on 02/16/2009 8:25:38 PM PST by AFreeBird
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