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How Much Longer Can They Sell Darwinism?
From Sea to Shining Sea ^ | 1/4/09 | Purple Mountains

Posted on 01/04/2009 5:39:47 AM PST by PurpleMountains

All across the country, archeologists, paleontologists and biologists are taking part in what is perhaps the greatest example of political correctness in history – their adherence to Darwinism and their attempts to ostracize any scientist who does not agree with them. In doing so, they are not only ignoring the vast buildup of recent scientific discoveries that seriously undermines the basics of Darwinism, but they are also participating, due to politically correctness, in a belief system that indirectly resulted in the deaths of millions of people – those slaughtered by the Stalins, the Hitlers, the Maos, the Pol Pots and others who took their cue from Darwinism’s tenets.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Science
KEYWORDS: allyourblog; darwin; expelled; pimpmyblog; rousseau
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To: DevNet

Such as?


561 posted on 01/05/2009 6:38:23 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

I do not see 2012 fitting in with prophecy either, though I have heard that all the parts to build the Temple are gathered and it can be erected in about 30 days. 2012 is just the secular panic year.


562 posted on 01/05/2009 6:40:55 PM PST by SisterK (pop culture is the opiate of the people)
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To: SisterK

I’m not real sure on that- I took ‘end time prophecy’ in Christian College, but kinda slept htrough those classes- professor was kinda dull lol. I think the deal is that the temple is goign to be rebuilt where the Muslims now claim it’s their ‘holy site’ (When the evidence is clear it is NOT their site but the Jews- who have graciously allowed the Muslims to keep making that false claim for hte sake of ‘peace’ which the Muslims NEVER adhere to. It will definately be a battle if this is the site because the Muslims are hell bent on keeping the site- but the temple site could be another site too- not real sure.


563 posted on 01/05/2009 6:41:49 PM PST by CottShop
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To: Coyoteman
Are you suggesting that all the data I have posted over the years amounts to "no case" and consists of "piles and piles of rant" and "debating tricks?" Is this really what you are claiming?

WHAT "data"???? You want to give me a quick summary here?

564 posted on 01/05/2009 6:44:08 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
WHAT "data"???? You want to give me a quick summary here?

What data? The science I have posted!

I've posted more science pertaining to evolution here than any ten other current posters, and you know it.

Is that what you are referring to as "no case" and "piles and piles of rant" and "debating tricks?"

I just want to be sure.

565 posted on 01/05/2009 6:48:56 PM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: CottShop
(Some ‘could be’ argued that they weren’t ‘completely dead’ if some so wished to and I wouldn’t really object- although I truly beleive they were dead- but can’t prove it- and there are cases of ‘dead people’ rising from ‘dead’ spontaniously, and cases where heart rythm was so weak, they were declared dead but lived for days in a much reduced state of being-

I considered the catatonic state thing for a bit before I even became a Christian, but concluded that even if Jesus had been able to determine that those people really weren't dead, it would have required knowledge that simply didn't exist in those days, so for him to get it so right so many times, could not be explained that way.

There are true miracles that are verified by medical tests, like my daughter being healed from asthma, a friend's son, too, a couple of friends being healed from diabetes, the surgeon friend of mine who prays for his patients and regularly has to send them home when the pre-op scans show healing from the previous ones that necessitated scheduling the surgery in the first place.

566 posted on 01/05/2009 6:50:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: CottShop

Try and follow the conversation.


567 posted on 01/05/2009 6:51:36 PM PST by Gumlegs
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To: tacticalogic; Alamo-Girl; metmom
It seems to me that all the points you've made amount to an indictment of the scientific method, as it is currently defined and applied.

I am NOT indicting the scientific method. All I'm saying is it has LIMITS: It is not the "Rosetta Stone" of truth. Science is based on observation. What can be observed by means of five senses (as technologically aided as needed) can give only the superficial appearance of the object observed. It tells us nothing about the "thing in itself," which has a past, and presumably a future evolution. The observed object necessarily must be isolated from the context in which it occurs in order to become an "object" for science; i.e., an observable object. And yet we know (thanks to quantum theory) that here on Earth (and probably throughout the entire extent of the universe, since the universe is a unified "one"), everything is connected to everything else: that is, real objects cannot be "isolated" from the contexts in which they occur. The knowledge that science gives us, though obviously important and extraordinarily useful, does not deal with the unifying Truth that structures and orders the living Cosmos, in which we move and have our being....

No human observer can see all the "pieces of the puzzle" that constitute the order of Reality. Only God can do that — because He is not "in" the space-time system. He is not a "part or participant" of it, but the cause of its existence. And if you doubt me on this, just ask Sir Isaac Newton.

568 posted on 01/05/2009 7:01:40 PM PST by betty boop
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To: Coyoteman
What data? The science I have posted!

I've seen lists of facts and pings to outside sources. But you have never, ever told me what you think Darwin's theory is, or why you feel it is correct.

569 posted on 01/05/2009 7:03:24 PM PST by betty boop
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To: metmom
Throw a stone over a fence and the dog that yelps is the one that got hit.

Only the "stuck pig" will squeal.

570 posted on 01/05/2009 7:04:28 PM PST by betty boop
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To: Gumlegs

I just askedif you could recap- whatever- have a nice day!


571 posted on 01/05/2009 7:04:46 PM PST by CottShop
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To: betty boop

Science is a great tool that can be used for the betterment of mankind through technology, but is useless for dealing with the issues that people consider most important in their lives.

It is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself.


572 posted on 01/05/2009 7:05:44 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Gumlegs

Your link goes to a selection of threads- which thread is it in?- Cripes- was it too much to ask which thread?


573 posted on 01/05/2009 7:07:53 PM PST by CottShop
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To: betty boop
I am NOT indicting the scientific method. All I'm saying is it has LIMITS: It is not the "Rosetta Stone" of truth. Science is based on observation. What can be observed by means of five senses (as technologically aided as needed) can give only the superficial appearance of the object observed. It tells us nothing about the "thing in itself," which has a past, and presumably a future evolution. The observed object necessarily must be isolated from the context in which it occurs in order to become an "object" for science; i.e., an observable object. And yet we know (thanks to quantum theory) that here on Earth (and probably throughout the entire extent of the universe, since the universe is a unified "one"), everything is connected to everything else: that is, real objects cannot be "isolated" from the contexts in which they occur. The knowledge that science gives us, though obviously important and extraordinarily useful, does not deal with the unifying Truth that structures and orders the living Cosmos, in which we move and have our being....

No human observer can see all the "pieces of the puzzle" that constitute the order of Reality. Only God can do that — because He is not "in" the space-time system. He is not a "part or participant" of it, but the cause of its existence. And if you doubt me on this, just ask Sir Isaac Newton.

This, added to your previous post, seems to be a general statement that science (or NeoDarwinism, whatever that is) does not do what it cannot do.

574 posted on 01/05/2009 7:14:42 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: NicknamedBob
Then the discovery that all life has a similar pattern of knitted fabric called DNA proves in a simple instant that all life is related.

Well of course "all life is related." But when someone says to a NeoDarwinist, "Life comes only from life," probably he will be ridiculed. For the typical NeoDarwinist, it is "necessary" that life be the "emergent" property of matter.

Darwin's theory does not explain "life." Only "speciation." And only the sort of speciation that occurs on Terra. It is not a fundamental, universal theory of biology.

As for DNA, the similarity we see among creatures might have something to do with the fact that, evolution theory or no, what has been observed in nature (by, among others, Stephen Wolfram) is that there are surprising few "body plans" for biological entities. I believe the number he came up with was fourteen.

575 posted on 01/05/2009 7:14:56 PM PST by betty boop
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To: tacticalogic
This, added to your previous post, seems to be a general statement that science (or NeoDarwinism, whatever that is) does not do what it cannot do.

Exactly, tacticalogic. BUT — just because science cannot do something doesn't mean that the something cannot be done.

576 posted on 01/05/2009 7:16:40 PM PST by betty boop
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To: betty boop
Exactly, tacticalogic. BUT — just because science cannot do something doesn't mean that the something cannot be done.

That true. But it does mean that whatever it is you're doing it with isn't science.

577 posted on 01/05/2009 7:18:19 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom; Alamo-Girl
Scientists take the supernatural into account when they decide on methodical naturalism. They take it into account when they make assumptions about it before they even proceed with the experiments.

They also take the supernatural into account every time they think, when they apply physical laws, when they reason, when they have recourse to logic, to mathematics. None of these things are "observables." But we humans couldn't get along without them.

578 posted on 01/05/2009 7:21:13 PM PST by betty boop
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To: metmom

Radio.
Computers.
The various sensors we have developed.
The various medical devices we have developed.
The various chemicals we have developed.
The various alloys and manufacturing processes we have developed.
The various weapons of war we have developed.
Satellites.
GPS.
Sonar.
The Internet.


579 posted on 01/05/2009 7:21:13 PM PST by DevNet (!dimensio || !solitron)
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To: tacticalogic; Alamo-Girl; metmom
That true. But it does mean that whatever it is you're doing it with isn't science.

Philosophy is every bit as dependent on logic and reason as science is. It just has a different field of inquiry.

580 posted on 01/05/2009 7:23:30 PM PST by betty boop
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