Posted on 12/25/2008 7:55:05 PM PST by Soliton
So what?
There food!!!!
Well I suggest you move up to the Red Lobster if you have not already!!
Does six years of graduate school, with half of my time spent studying evolution, fossil man, human races, osteology, anatomy and a lot of closely related subjects count as "a little research?" Or should I have saved myself all that trouble by just checking out the latest creationist literature?
For hte lurkers who care anyhtign about hte actual science about suppsoed ‘transitions’, here are the facts:
KNM-ER 3733 IS NOT A TRANSITIONAL:
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c029.html
“Another interesting erectus specimen is skull KNM- ER 3733 dating from about 1.7 mya. It also possesses, along with other ‘ancient’ erectus forms, much the same type of cranial morphology as did Java, Peking and WT 15000, and has an ECV of approximately 850 - 900cc.21,22 (See Figure 4.)23 ER 3733’s cranium is dolichocephalic, a feature also found in many Neanderthals, and it is thick, as are most erectus and Neanderthal specimens. The four erectus specimens so far mentioned are the main subject of this paper. According to Lubenow, the entire ECV range of known erectus forms runs from 700cc for a Javan infant to 1200cc - the largest Peking skull.24 However, the capacity of the previously-mentioned Vertesszöllos fragment from Hungary and dated at about 350,000ya, is estimated at about 1400cc, which is high for an erectus specimen.25
Sorry, nothing there that shows that H. ergaster is not a transitional. And in a scientific debate, why would you post a link to a creationist website? If they are like most creationist websites they have a statement of beliefs that prohibits them from any finding that contradicts the bible. That makes them apologists, and the opposite of scientists. As such, they have no credible role in a scientific discussion.
Figure 4. Skull profile of erectus specimen KNM-ER 3733. This fossil human is of similar geological age to WT 15000. The finding of ER 3733 and WT 15000 therefore appears to strongly reinforce the validity of Java and Peking Man. The clear similarities shared by all four (where skeletal and cranial material is available), render untenable any claims that the two Asian specimens are nothing more than exceptionally large apes. Further, their affinities with both archaic sapiens and Neanderthal sapiens are so strong that it can hardly be denied that all are closely related human beings.
OK, this paragraph supports the claim that H. ergaster is a transitional. (Don't you read the passages that you post?)
The question of course is - are erectus forms proof of an evolutionary progression from the apes, or are they simply temporal, regional, climatic, dietary or pathological variants of human beings?”
Homo erectus is indeed a variety of human, which is why it has the genus Homo. And the proper question at this point is whether Homo ergaster is a proper transitional in the progression of forms--as is what we were discussing. The experts have assigned it as genus Homo, but given it a different species name, as the evidence suggests that it is indeed a transitional.
You better find a more suitable creationist site to cut and paste from; this one has not done you very much good.
You leave off the full quotes from all of the passages (which contradict your interpretation) and jump from Gen 1:2 to Gen 1:20.
How is that relevant to the fact that the Bible states that the universe and the earth had a beginning and it was right when the scientists were wrong?
Most creation stories have a 'beginning'.
I'll roll with you on this. Science merely confirms the Bible.
So, where in the Bible does it tell me how to regrow adult teeth or appendages? Restore vision?
Modern science is working on all of those.
Most of the work involves ES cells, too.
No way, they charge money!
Guys like you don’t have the intestinal fortitude to keep their word (Ive been unfortunate enough to read a few of your crap posts) so I doubt you leave at all. You’ll be back running your yap in no time. lmao
Can’t support business, it will delay the depression!
When that depression comes, I might have to develop an appetite for pillbugs too ;)
This is a genuine offer.
I suspect that once medical science discovers a way to give me both, you'll find some obscure passage in the Bible and claim - a-ha! - that it was foretold in your good book and, don't ya know, those atheistic scientists are just confirming your book, again.
“When that depression comes, I might have to develop an appetite for pillbugs too ;)”
Maybe you should have started sooner!
I have over 10 years earnings in reserve waiting for the depression to start.
ssshhh,, keep quiet about that
Funny that you should mention miracles.
For one thing, people don’t just decide to miracle themselves; God does it for them.
Even if science can come up with a way to do those things, it would still not be possible for a person to decide it as an act of will; it would have to be done to them.
As far as science dealing with stuff like healings, they’re just catching up again. Healings have happened in the past. Healings are happening in the present and will continue.
I’ve mentioned my doctor friend who prays for those patients of his who wish it, and they get healed, verified by scans and tests.
My daughter got healed from allergies and asthma after getting prayed for, verified by medical tests.
I have other friends from church who have been prayed for and healed from diabetes and high cholesterol, cancer, a hole in the heart, etc, all verified by the medical community.
Does God heal every time? No. Does science have any cures for anything? No. It has treatments and generally they help, but do not cure. So science doesn’t really have anything up on God in that regard, either.
What science cannot do is deal with the deepest longings of the human heart. When I was at the end of myself and in despair, I turned to the God of the Bible who I wasn’t even sure existed. I told Him that if He was real and He could straighten out this mess of a life of mine, He could have it, and I told Him the same thing you said you would, that I’d become a missionary and go to Africa. (That was the most desperate thing that I could think of at the time. It was at the bottom of my THINGS TO DO list.)
Well, He took me up on part of that; He did straighten out my life but never demanded that I go to Africa, (much to my relief).
lol- both peking and java man are just that- read carefully- if you’re statign that 3733 is akin to htem- then you’re statign they are fully man- not transitionals-
Sorry- but 3733 is nothign but a man- but some scientists tried to blurr hte line by creating ‘new classifications’ when the rest of hte science world knew the new classificaitons were bogus
“Turkana). The fossils in this new taxon include KNM-ER 1470,1472,1481,1590,1802, and 3732. Wood complicates matters further by proposing another new taxon, Homo ergaster, made up of fossils KNM-ER 3733, 3883, and KNM-WT 15000, which virtually every other investigator classifies as full-fledged Homo erectus. Wood calls these three fossils African precursors of Homo’ erectus.
In contrast to popular belief, the origin of the fully human taxon called Homo erectus is not known. Among evolutionists, anything is possible. Homo erectus might come from the entire Homo habilis hypodigm (Johanson and White), from the larger fossils of that hypodigm (Leakey and Walker), or from unknown fossils which may or may not be of that hypodigm (Wood and others). Richard Leakey states that the human evolution story at 2.0 Ma is unclear and he hopes that new fossils will cast light on the subject.46 G. Philip Rightmire reveals the naked truth: ‘Just how Homo erectus first evolved is one of the major issues in paleoanthropology. Here the fossils and the stratigraphic record are limited, and many details may never be resolved.’47 Homo erectus is in fact a false category. Evolutionists have taken true human ancestors and tried to make them evolutionary ancestors. The somewhat different skull morphology of Homo erectus may be the result of the environment of the post-Flood Ice Age.48Since Homo erectus did not evolve but was a true member of the human family created by God in His image, it is not surprising that evolutionists have great difficulty in finding an evolutionary ancestor for him.
LACK OF EVOLUTION WITHIN HOMOERECTUS It is common for evolutionists to claim documentation for evolutionary change within the Homo erectus taxon based primarily on the fossils from Java. Many natural history and anthropology museums have such displays, including the San Diego Museum of Man. In fact, if evolution were true, change within this taxon is exactly what we would expect, and it is what evolutionists say should happen. However, that claim involving the Javanese fossils is invalid for two reasons. First, the stratigraphy of the Javanese fossil beds was still unclear long after those fossils were discovered. Second, very few of the fossils from Java CEN Tech. J., vol. 10, no. 1,1996 were seenin situby the investigators who ‘discovered’ them, such as Dubois and von Koenigswald.
The bulk of the Javanese fossils were uncovered by hired nationals who knew nothing about geology or stratigraphy, with Dubois or von Koenigswald arriving on the scene well after the fact. All paleoanthropologists know that the Javanese fossil dates are uncertain.
Those displays showing evolution within the Javanese Homo erectus fossils are raw propaganda designed to influence the unknowing public toward evolution. There is no significant change throughout the history of Homo erectus that would in any wise document evolution. That is true not only of the Javanese fossils but of the entire taxon. The leading investigator in this area, G. Philip Rightmire, has evaluated specific characteristics ofHomo erectus over its alleged million year history, comparing early erectus with late erectus. He concludes that there is no characteristic that changes in a significant evolutionary way.
‘Following the emergence of Homo erectus, systematic change is not easily documented.’49Commenting on the many regions of the world inhabited by Homo erectus, he adds: ‘Populations inhabiting these far-flung regions of the Old World are anatomically similar, and the morphology of the species seems to have changed little over more than a million years.”
Nice try convoluting hte facts Coyote
I hope it’s not just in $$$$ bills. I hear rumor that the currency is likely to tank and money become worthless.
Well, He took me up on part of that; He did straighten out my life but never demanded that I go to Africa, (much to my relief).
That's fascinating. You made a deal with God, but then broke your end of the deal. I guess you think He'll just forget about it.
I hope in your business dealings with other people you treat them better than you treat God.
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