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Obama Birth Certificate: The Electoral College Takes a Dive
Atlas Shrugs ^ | November 10, 2008 | Pamela Geller

Posted on 11/10/2008 6:30:13 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY

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To: ladyjane

Not a single GOP organization has stepped up to the plate. Pathetic.


21 posted on 11/10/2008 6:54:35 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

This is so wrong. Obama is fighting this tooth and nail. That, to me, says he is hiding the truth and is guilty as charged.


22 posted on 11/10/2008 6:59:09 PM PST by sageb1 (Justice is for lawyers. Liberty is for We,The People.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Speaking of the Electoral College ... This may be a shot in the dark but what do any Freepers think of Sarah Palin getting an electoral vote from a disenchanted Republican elector for the way she’s been treated by the McCain people? Could it happen? If it did wouldn’t she be the first ever woman to get an electoral vote? John Edwards got a vote in 2004, Lloyd Bentson got one in 1988 and Ronald Reagan received one in 1976. It’s happened before. Does anyone think that it could happen again? Just a thought here ... Heck, it’s only trivial at this point and it would look good in her run-up to the 2012 Election.


23 posted on 11/10/2008 7:00:34 PM PST by chippewaman
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To: pissant
WTF is going on here???

"No controlling legal authority."

24 posted on 11/10/2008 7:02:34 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: Swordmaker

Apparently.


25 posted on 11/10/2008 7:03:14 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: sageb1

I cannot believe there is not one individual in this country who has the power to resolve this who won’t do the right thing.


26 posted on 11/10/2008 7:03:18 PM PST by sageb1 (Justice is for lawyers. Liberty is for We,The People.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Uh, guys the President of the Senate is Dick Cheney, the Vice President. Byrd may have been President Pro Temp.

And, of course, this office petitioned has no authority in such a matter.


27 posted on 11/10/2008 7:04:51 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: Free ThinkerNY
The key issue before the SC will be whether or not Berg, or indeed, any citizen has standing. Scalia wrote the defining decision in this case in Lujan v Defenders of Wildlife:

Over the years, our cases have established that the irreducible constitutional minimum of standing contains three elements: First, the plaintiff must have suffered an "injury in fact"— an invasion of a legally-protected interest which is (a) concrete and particularized, see id., at 756, 104 S.Ct., at 3327; Warth v. Seldin, 422 U.S. 490, 508, 95 S.Ct. 2197, 2210, 45 L.Ed.2d 343 (1975); Sierra Club v. Morton, 405 U.S. 727, 740-741, n. 16, 92 S.Ct. 1361, 1368-1369, n. 16, 31 L.Ed.2d 636 (1972);1 and (b) "actual or imminent, not 'conjectural' or 'hypothetical,' " Whitmore, supra, 495 U.S., at 155, 110 S.Ct., at 1723 (quoting Los Angeles v. Lyons, 461 U.S. 95, 102, 103 S.Ct. 1660, 1665, 75 L.Ed.2d 675 (1983)). Second, there must be a causal connection between the injury and the conduct complained of—the injury has to be "fairly . . . trace[able] to the challenged action of the defendant, and not . . . th[e] result [of] the independent action of some third party not before the court." Simon v. Eastern Kentucky Welfare Rights Org., 426 U.S. 26, 41-42, 96 S.Ct. 1917, 1926, 48 L.Ed.2d 450 (1976). Third, it must be "likely," as opposed to merely "speculative," that the injury will be "redressed by a favorable decision." Id., at 38, 43, 96 S.Ct., at 1924, 1926.

Unlike merely standing for election, the actual swearing in of a constitutionally unqualified candidate, I would think is a particularized injury to each and every citizen who granted limited powers to the government under the constitution, it is imminent, and it can be redressed by a favorable decision of the Supreme Court.

But, it will be interesting to see Scalia's take on this.

28 posted on 11/10/2008 7:04:58 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Swordmaker
"No controlling legal authority."

USC Article III: The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution...

The constitutional qualification of a man to be president is a case under the US constitution.

29 posted on 11/10/2008 7:10:12 PM PST by AndyJackson
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To: Free ThinkerNY

It’s above their pay grade.


30 posted on 11/10/2008 7:10:45 PM PST by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: pissant

This case and some of these comments indicate people do not understand our Constitutional process. This likely cannot be adjudicated until the Congress meets to count the Electoral votes. It is up to Congress to decide on the matter from all I can see.

Individual citizens have no standing but Electors do. Electors elect the President not individual citizens who could constitutionally be entirely left out of presidential elections. It would be completely constitutional for a state/states to decide to select electors by a random process, a lottery.

Those electors must decide to vote for a qualified person and from what I can tell any vote for an unqualified person can be invalidated.


31 posted on 11/10/2008 7:11:45 PM PST by arrogantsob (Hero vs Zero)
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To: pissant
" WTF is going on here??? " ....

It's called Kicking the Can down the road for someone else to deal with it.
32 posted on 11/10/2008 7:15:39 PM PST by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM .53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart, there is no GOD.)
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To: AndyJackson
The constitutional qualification of a man to be president is a case under the US constitution.

I agree. in addition, I reason, any citizen as a member of the class of persons, "We the People...", who entered into the agreement called the Constitution of the United States, should have standing to demand that someone running for any of the defined offices show proof of meeting the minimum qualifications. That should mean that you, I, or Berg should be able to have our day in court and that Barack Hussein Obama should come, certificate in hand, to prove to US that he meets those minimum qualifications.

33 posted on 11/10/2008 7:19:13 PM PST by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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To: LucyT

Well,,,this ain’t good...:0(


34 posted on 11/10/2008 7:24:14 PM PST by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

We are in some sort of wide-spread collapse of social responsibility. It’s like a Dr Who episode. Only there’s no Dr. Who.


35 posted on 11/10/2008 7:28:31 PM PST by bvw
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To: AndyJackson

“No controlling legal authority.”
USC Article III: The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution...

The constitutional qualification of a man to be president is a case under the US constitution.
***I’ve dealt with this in industry, when an unpleasant task has to land on someone and no matter how obvious it is that it belongs to some particular group, they say it belongs to someone else. In industry, these turf wars get elevated to the CEO level, who invariably rolls his eyes and tries to cut the baby in half. But this isn’t industry, and it could trigger a major constitutional crisis with the possibility of large scale civil “unrest & disobedience”.


36 posted on 11/10/2008 7:30:27 PM PST by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
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To: pissant

I’m confused, how does one email the electoral college?


37 posted on 11/10/2008 7:32:18 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: arrogantsob

Nonsense. We all have standing. We have standing when someone breaks the rules of election law.

Candidates have been sued for not living in their districts, for taking illegal contributions. The dems sued to keep DeLay ON the Texas ballot. Dino Rossi was sued for supposed campaign law violations. Many, many lawsuits have been filed and decided regarding voter fraud.

If not being eligible is fraud, which it is, we all have standing.


38 posted on 11/10/2008 7:34:02 PM PST by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: laweeks

check out: obamacrimes.com the supreme court has given a deadline of Dec1!

Lord I hope so.


39 posted on 11/10/2008 7:34:27 PM PST by television is just wrong (obama is going to pay my mortgage for me!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Paul was on Lam Laphere overnight internet radio show last week.

Bottom line, Paul was wishy washy and claimed he didn’t know all the details. It’s amazing since he is such a constitutional first person.

IMO, he is as gutless as the overwhelming set of rhinos currently calling themselves republican.


40 posted on 11/10/2008 7:34:45 PM PST by Doug TX
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