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Inconsistencies abound in FactCheck report on Obama "birth certificate"
Israeli Insider ^ | 8/24/08 | Reuven Koret

Posted on 08/24/2008 8:10:04 AM PDT by pissant

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To: pissant
Ways in which these crackpot ravings about Obama's birth certificate harm the cause:

1. They make Obama opponents look stupid.

1b. They also make Obama opponents look desperate, and create the impression that they don't actually have any real case against Obama.

2. Wallowing in the fever swamps of conspiracy-theory nonsense weakens one's ability to think rationally. Inability to think rationally guarantees defeat.

3. They make Obama opponents look stupid.

4. It provides a guilt-by-association talking point against the expose of the (actually) forged TANG documents. I wouldn't be surprised if Dan Rather and his sycophants are already starting to spread the meme "The people who said the memos were fake are the same ones who said Obama's birth certificate was fake -- so how can you believe it?"

5. Have I mentioned that they make Obama opponents look stupid?

161 posted on 08/26/2008 12:59:46 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: TheNewPundit
I am reminded of Rathergate when it comes to this story also. Only it seems the sides have changed.

See previous message. Unless we laugh it out of court pronto, this goofball moonbattery will be confused with the genuine detection of the National Guard Memo forgeries, damaging the credibility of the latter.

162 posted on 08/26/2008 1:02:27 PM PDT by steve-b (Intelligent design is to evolutionary biology what socialism is to free-market economics.)
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To: steve-b

Cool. Think of all the free time you will now have to pay no attention to it.


163 posted on 08/26/2008 1:04:46 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: Polarik

Freepmail for ya.


164 posted on 08/26/2008 1:28:06 PM PDT by rodguy911 (LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE)
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To: LucyT; pissant; Polarik; potlatch; devolve; Fred Nerks; Grampa Dave; Jeff Head; ...

165 posted on 08/26/2008 1:30:36 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: PhilDragoo; devolve

Good post Phil.


166 posted on 08/26/2008 1:39:54 PM PDT by potlatch ("OUR LIVES BEGIN TO END THE DAY WE REMAIN SILENT ABOUT THE THINGS THAT MATTER")
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To: PhilDragoo

ROTFLOL!

That’s good!

BTW, is this the Fact Check that’s affiliated with Annenberg?


167 posted on 08/26/2008 3:51:24 PM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Proud supporter of GEORGIA)
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To: steve-b

Steve-b, how is Biden on IP? Wasn’t Biden the one who put forth the bill that would have set up a peer-to-peer software watchdog agency?


168 posted on 08/26/2008 6:04:13 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Political Junkie Too
Things that don't quite fit in re Obama's CoLB, not including image analysis:
  1. Why wasn't right for public to get official copies of Obama's CoLB from Hawaii granted by Obama?
  2. Why was initial release made only to two highly partisan web sites; why not to a neutral party acceptable to most on both sides of issue?
  3. Why was there only one image available, for weeks and that was not so great a resolution?
  4. Why was the initial image released when it was; it was at the same time Obama opted out of FEC matching funds -- the FEC would then have required more documentation of eligibility, but if the CoLB is legit, what's the problem, where the two events purposefully related?
  5. Why was the cert number blacked out?
  6. Why is the border different than known CoLB's of others printed before and after Obama's supposedly was?
  7. Why did Janice Okubo claim that the cert number could be used to hack the system?
  8. Why then did the new photos by FactCheck show the cert number?
  9. Why is the father's race shown as "AFRICAN"?
  10. Why are the official stamp impression and the folds so crisp and new appearing on the new FactCheck photos of the CoLB?
  11. Why does newest the FactCheck dissection of the CoLB forgery concerns use such a heavily partisan and emotional tone? -- (Just count the subjective adjectives!)
  12. Why is Jerome Corsi, almost alone, named and highlighted in that latest FactCheck dissection? He had nothing to do with bring the issue forward?
  13. Why was the latest FactCheck dissection of the CoLB forgery rumor almost concurrent with the massive Obama strikes against Corsi and his Obama Nation book?
  14. Why did Obama go to Hawaii just as the CoLB forgery was starting to bubble up, and returned to Chicago just before the new CoLB images in at the FactCheck site appeared?
  15. (Side issue, but cosmically funny! I love cosmic jokes!) As a particular class of blogging personalities, why do advocate darwinists who are driven to viciously mock Intelligent Design have so much of a problem with any continuing effort to determine if the CoLB is a fraud?

169 posted on 08/26/2008 6:32:47 PM PDT by bvw
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To: TheNewPundit
I think it is upon the Obama people to validate it, not us and not an Obama friendly organization.
170 posted on 08/26/2008 7:04:46 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Earth First...we will drill the other planets later.)
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To: bvw

(Side issue, but cosmically funny! I love cosmic jokes!) As a particular class of blogging personalities, why do advocate darwinists who are driven to viciously mock Intelligent Design have so much of a problem with any continuing effort to determine if the CoLB is a fraud?
***I hadn’t noticed that but it does resonate.


171 posted on 08/26/2008 7:07:42 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: Kevmo

It’s related! No conspiracy, just that it taps into the same strain of human ability/limitation.


172 posted on 08/26/2008 7:14:05 PM PDT by bvw
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To: steve-b

4. It provides a guilt-by-association talking point against the expose of the (actually) forged TANG documents.
***Do we need to mention that this one makes you look stupid?


173 posted on 08/26/2008 7:30:45 PM PDT by Kevmo (A person's a person, no matter how small. ~Horton Hears a Who)
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To: PhilDragoo

LOL!!

Barry Obamalow !! hahahaaa!


174 posted on 08/26/2008 9:38:24 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (McRINO needs reach across the aisle to Conservatives for a CHANGE! Dang him!!!)
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To: pissant
Coincidence? Or intentional?

In every photo of the embossed Seal on the backside of the COLB, the top part is cropped out right where the bottom fold should be.

Me thinks that it is intentional

175 posted on 08/27/2008 5:40:14 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: Polarik

“Care to bet on that?”

No problem at all. Name it.


176 posted on 08/27/2008 6:39:28 AM PDT by TheNewPundit
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To: Polarik

Well, there is no doubt something is well beyond fishy with this whole factcheck thing.


177 posted on 08/27/2008 9:35:51 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: TheNewPundit

Regarding the hypothetical situation, where the employer wants proof of an applicant’s MBA and CPA:

That employer would be a dolt to hire someone who won’t allow the employer to request that the proof come directly from the schools, back to the employer, without an intermediary.

When I applied to college (and I’m sure this is true for most, if not all colleges), the admissions office would NOT accept a copy of my transcript from me. I had to write to each former school and request that a certified copy of my transcript be sent directly to the college admissions office.

It’s reasonable for us to ask the same of a candidate for POTUS.

Why not authorize anyone in the media to ask the Hawaii DOH to send a certified copy directly to the reporter, without Obama’s intervention?

IF it’s legit, what’s the problem?

About those FactCheck photos:

If anybody knows: why doesn’t the embossed seal look like the one on PD’s COLB? It looks like just so many blobs. I can’t make out any letters. Shouldn’t it be even more legible than an older COLB? I can see “Hawaii” clearly on PD’s COLB.

What is the FactCheck embossed seal supposed to say?

Did Hawaii change the seal at some point? Does anyone know what a circa-2007 seal ought to look like?

I also noticed that the top of the embossed seal, on the reverse side of the FactCheck photos, is consistently cut off. Why?

Why didn’t they show us the entire back side in one image?

According to Hawaiian law, if a COLB reflects “revised” information, then it must plainly say so, somewhere.

Doesn’t it look like text is missing below the fold, on the far lefthand side of FactCheck jpg 1? (If you rotate it right side up.) Is this a result of glare on the paper?

Is the green pattern on the paper supposed to be on both sides of the document? I don’t remember seeing the reverse side of other COLBs.

So, which came first, the chicken or the egg? And why? The timeline is crucial.

“Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, NO MATTER HOW IMPROBABLE, must be the truth.”—Sherlock Holmes (Arthur Conan Doyle)


178 posted on 08/27/2008 10:08:01 AM PDT by Greenperson
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To: TheNewPundit
If you can prove that the FactCheck scanned image is a faithful copy of Obama's genuine and original paper COLB, ten I'll give you $1,000

If you cannot do that, then it means that the FactCheck scanned image is not a faithful copy of Obama's genuine paper COLB but, is instead, a forged image made to look like a real scan of Obama's paper COLB. In which case, then you owe me a $1,000.

Deal?

179 posted on 08/27/2008 10:10:22 AM PDT by Polarik ("The Greater Evil")
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To: Polarik

“If you can prove that the FactCheck scanned image is a faithful copy of Obama’s genuine and original paper COLB, ten I’ll give you $1,000”

Proof that is is real is the absence of proof that it is fake, therefore you are the one who has the burden.


180 posted on 08/27/2008 7:05:48 PM PDT by TheNewPundit
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