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California: Failed Liberal Experiment
Nietzsche is Dead ^ | 4 aug 08 | foutsc

Posted on 08/04/2008 5:21:13 AM PDT by foutsc

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To: Savage Beast

I’ve been trying to work it from the outside. Supporting the the up and coming with donations, and email campaigns, and of course, opinion on blogs, etc.


21 posted on 08/04/2008 7:08:15 AM PDT by papasmurf (This space left blank intentionly.)
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To: Mr. Jeeves

“Thus California has been able to stay afloat and even thrive”

Are you sure you want to say that? LOL


22 posted on 08/04/2008 7:10:01 AM PDT by papasmurf (This space left blank intentionly.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

In report: “The state’s economy would collapse without illegal immigrant workers, who are changing the face of the state.”

And, if we were to base our business models on an illegal strategy, we’d be fined, lose our contracts, and possibly go to jail.


23 posted on 08/04/2008 7:13:12 AM PDT by papasmurf (This space left blank intentionly.)
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To: papasmurf

“And, if we were to base our business models on an illegal strategy, we’d be fined, lose our contracts, and possibly go to jail.”

Right. Honest businesses are at a disadvantage when dishonest businesses can ‘game’ the system. Illegal immigration erodes the respect for law.


24 posted on 08/04/2008 7:16:22 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (The Dum-bama Banking Committee offers free breathalysers and inhilators for asthmatics in 58 states.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

“Illegal immigration erodes the respect for law.”

Not to mention, it punishes those that respect and abide by the law.


25 posted on 08/04/2008 7:54:58 AM PDT by papasmurf (This space left blank intentionly.)
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To: Kozak

I fled a very nice six figure income job in Cali in 2000, never looked back either.


26 posted on 08/04/2008 8:03:34 AM PDT by piytar
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To: kabar
The problem is that many of those fleeing CA and MA are infecting nearby states bringing their liberalism with them...

Yes, they fit the working definition of insanity. They want to impose the same policies but somehow believe the results will be different.

Policies have consequences.

27 posted on 08/04/2008 9:06:39 AM PDT by gogeo (Democrats want to support the troops by accusing them of war crimes.)
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To: Savage Beast
California is a sunny land where the livin' is easy and abundance flows, seemingly endlessly, from natures loving cornu copia.

Boy, it seemed like that when I lived in Oceanside/Monrovia from the late 60s to the late 80s. I worked my way up from $7,200 a year to $35,000 (decent money in the beginning, subsistence wages later on).

During the Cold War years the Germans had a term for how the Communists worked. They called it "The Artichoke Principle". You kept peeling off a leaf at a time until nothing was left.

It was the same with California. I started noticing the ever-increasing auto "fees". The property taxes shot through the ceiling and my mortgage was going up in $100 increments (pre-Prop 13 days). Sewer, water, and power bills increased almost monthly despite our conserving at every turn. State income taxes went from once a year to being deducted from weekly paychecks "to make it easier on the taxpayer". I didn't buy that and knew what was coming. Sure enough, next year's tax was doubled. In the early days IRAs were not deductible on State taxes. By 1988 the last leaf was stripped away and we bailed out - and like others, never look back.

When I visit friends and relatives there today I am appalled at the crowding and Third World aspect the state has taken on. It seems to be a microcosm of what's in our future if the public doesn't wise up.

28 posted on 08/04/2008 9:22:24 AM PDT by Oatka (A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: foutsc
Just got this in an email:

Do you know what happened back in September of 1850?

California became a state.
The State had no electricity.
The State had no money.
Almost everyone spoke Spanish.
There were gunfights in the streets.

So, basically, it was just like it is today, except the women had real breasts and the men didn't hold hands.

29 posted on 08/05/2008 6:24:58 AM PDT by P8riot (I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.)
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To: Fishrrman
What you have said (post #18) is true.

California, with all its beauty and resources, once held the promise of a beautiful future; however the promise has been destroyed by the recklessness, irresponsibility, and downright stupidity of millions of its citizens. And, yes, the fall of California would bring the entire nation to its knees.

There's a big problem with giving California its independence or returning it to Mexico, however. If we did, the Leftists would move to the remaining 49 states and continue their destructive behavior. They would not remain with the real estate that became Aztlan.

If there were some way to expel the real estate and the Leftists with it, it would be an excellent idea--an even better idea if all Leftists in the United States could be expelled with it--but this is impossible.

30 posted on 08/05/2008 7:03:33 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("Some people are born knowing, and some people will die searching." -Antonio Banderas)
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To: papasmurf
When I lived in Marin County, I campaigned actively for Republicans. All campaign posters that I put up were immediately taken down and destroyed--even when I posted them in places difficult to access. This was not true in San Francisco. No one removed the many posters that I put up.

Even intelligent people living in California act as though they have been brainwashed.

When the subject of illegal immigration's overwhelming California and the rest of the U.S.A. came up, one highly intelligent, sophisticated, and well educated friend responded, in usual Leftist manner, with a mindless platitude: "I think anybody who wants to come to this county to better himself should be allowed to do it."

When I replied that "California can either remain financially solvent or provide welfare for Mexico but not both," he looked as though I had doused him with ice water, as though this had ever occurred to him.

When I commented that the Mexican immigrants I have known have always been good, decent, family oriented people--that some have shared my values concerning property rights and rights to protect their families and raise children as they deem wise--that one Mexican man said to me "If the government can tell me what to do with my property, then I don't own my property!" et al.--and that I have liked all the Mexicans I have known, both in the U.S. and in Mexico--but that U.S. immigration laws should be enforced and unlimited immigration will overwhelm the U.S.A. and could, if of sufficient magnitude, destroy the United States--he confessed: "I've never liked Mexicans. Neither did my father."

31 posted on 08/05/2008 7:24:27 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("Some people are born knowing, and some people will die searching." -Antonio Banderas)
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To: P8riot

LOL! You Rock P8riot!


32 posted on 08/05/2008 8:49:23 AM PDT by foutsc (-- Nietzsche is Dead)
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To: Savage Beast

We have many Mexicans in our Irish/Italian family. It has nothing to do, really, with them being Mexican. It’s all about our Country, not their race.

I don’t understand why people can’t separate this in their minds.

BTW, our family has had a lot of fun with names. LOL


33 posted on 08/05/2008 9:04:45 AM PDT by papasmurf (This space left blank intentionly.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
MA is also losing population. People flee Liberalism, it’s just that simple.

Normal, hardworking, taxpaying traditional American families flee.... Losers and parasites remain, even as more of their ilk are attracted.

34 posted on 08/05/2008 9:07:53 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: papasmurf
I agree completely. I have no problem with Mexicans, here or in Mexico. The courtesy and good manners are beautiful. The values tend to be admirable.

I think Leftists are basically racist. They think in terms of groups and races. They even tend to speak of Islam as if it were a race rather than a religion. Leftists tend to be narrow minded, shallow, and to think in two dimensions--unaware of spectra, multiple dimensions, and shades of meaning and reality. Obviously, I have little respect for the Left if any.

Many Leftists are just plain stupid. Some are good people but are horribly misguided. And many of them are malicious and sociopathic.

When you hear these people talk about how they LOOOOOOOOOOOOVE everybody--hold onto your wallet.

35 posted on 08/05/2008 9:35:01 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("Some people are born knowing, and some people will die searching." -Antonio Banderas)
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