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To: Red6
"When it’s one self, then of course different standards apply as with others"

Heh, touché.

But let me repeat: Israel and especially the IDF would not stand for a large amount of German troops sent under UN mandate. The idea that we can help pacify the Middle East is nice in theory, because that would of course be a very good way to repay a debt. But the UN is incapable of doing this. We wouldn't even want a UN capable of doing this, at least I'm not too keen on a world army restructuring the world as the UN sees fit.

And the Vietnam conflict was a colonial one: The people of the Far East had already tried to negotiate their independence from the West, and France had denied them that. So obviously the only place they could turn to for support was the Commies. In my eyes that is the problem with Domino: In a bipolar system, if you are unhappy under the rule of one side, you always have to choose the other side for support, because if you want to fightr a war with Russia or the USA, national power does rarely cut it. But that does not necessarily prove you want to be ruled by that other side, as demonstrated by Vietnam.

32 posted on 07/11/2008 6:23:36 AM PDT by PoliticsAndSausages
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To: PoliticsAndSausages

Believe it or not, yes. Many of our operations, like in Somalia, or Haiti, had absolutely NO economic or security benefit to us. The DoD falls under civilian authority. The People in the US do believe in using their forces for humanitarian, peacekeeping, or even peace enforcement operations that have absolutely no benefit to them. What did we get from the Balkans? What do they have there for us? Rocks? We have those in the US too. You’re the ones dealing with refugees, you were the ones threatened by the regional instability, and you’re the ones that even have economic interests in Croatia, NOT us. Why did we go to war? And even here it’s possible to create a self interest and minimize, which indeed was done.

Applying your reasoning I could say Mother Theresa was a heartless selfish bitch just trying to “buy her ticket” to heaven. You can take anything and minimize it. But at some point you have to ask yourself if you’re just being an idiot and @sshole for doing so.

If we wanted the fastest, cheapest, and easiest answer in Iraq, we would have chopped off the monsters head, left the IIS and Iraqi Army in tacked, and said we’re the new sheriff in town. That would have worked too. And even there you see the German minimizing us and even attacking an effort to democratize and pacify a nation, a route that isn’t the easiest. Think about that one! You might not perceive it as such, but your Volk is more or less hoping for failure, stood in opposition too liberation, and does nothing for a process to bring Iraq up as a republic, a free nation, und man ist man noch Stolz mit diese Haltung.

Wars, how they are fought, what the desired end states are, are largely influenced by the ideology, morals, and prevailing attitudes and values of the society fighting them. I don’t think the Wehrmacht had the same approach we do. I don’t think the Russians have the same approach or end state in mind in Chechnya. I don’t think it was a good thing to be conquered by the Ottomans or Persian empires years past....... ***Yes, the US has a commitment to certain principals when it goes to war, and HAVE (as in I can give examples) fought numerous wars that have had no benefit to us as a nation whatsoever, other than appease a society that has deep rooted Christian and democratic values.***

As I said, you give a lot of insight into yourself with your statements, and there is a reason why Germany can’t be expected to be dependable when we’re attacked. You have no friends, only interests, as in Iran or Russia…….. Who does Schroeder work for today? It’s only “interests” my friend. If I were you, I’d be demanding he’d get hung!


34 posted on 07/11/2008 7:03:25 AM PDT by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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