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To: Fred Nerks; David; null and void

I apologise in advance if this post seems to ramble but there are so many points to bring up! People have seemed to accept that Obama was born in Hawaii that they delve no farther, especially with the “found” birth announcement not thinking that it could have been generated with the filing of the birth with Vital Statisics. Granny, no stranger to deception with her own marriage, would think nothing of deceiving others over the birth of her grandson. (Checking various websites her date of marriage is either May 4th or 5th of 1940) Following this through it was revealed that Madelyn’s parents were strict Methodists and they did not approve of Stanley. The couple wed during the weekend of the junior - senior dance and didn’t tell her parents until she graduated from high school! (Madelyn lived at home keeping the marriage secret)
A woman who would deceive her family is quite adept at deception.
I believe Madelyn went to the office of Vital Stats and registered the birth after receiving either a telegram or phone call about the arrival of the baby.

Further research has discovered this article which appeared in “The Honolulu Advertiser” on Feb.10/07 and gives excerpts AND addresses from Obama Sr.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2007/Feb/10/ln/FP702100346.html

Please note that the date given for when he left Hawaaii upon graduation is given as 1962 NOT 1963. Stanley Ann and Obama Jr were in WA then! Also a poster at Texas Darling’s blog mentions that the addresses given for Sr are no where near the address listed on the “found birth anouncement”. When granny registered the birth it would have generated the listing for the “birth announcement”.
Further, Obama describes his grandfather as having “an unstable and often violent temper” as well as “having crude ham-fisted manners” and “a desire to obliterate the past”. As the African relatives mention Ann’s father was furious about her pregnancy and threatened to have Sr’s visa revoked and have him expelled from the country which would fit with the violent temper. The real irony is that Obama himself with his ‘memoir’ has tried to obliterate the past. The phrase which comes to mind is Emerson’s “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.” and this is even more ironic considering that Stanley Armour Dunham’s grandfather’s name was Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham!

Now the one question which I will direct at null and void is: Are the passport qualification papers which you have posted for the present day or for the 1961 period? Qualifications (identifying paperwork) is much more stringent now than it was in 1961! With the renewal option for U.S.passports all one has to do is make sure they renew their passport before the old one expires, never submitting more information.


4,063 posted on 07/31/2008 7:46:56 PM PDT by Chief Engineer
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To: Chief Engineer

They are the current, post 9/11, in the age of identity theft, rules.

It is difficult to image that the old rules would be more challenging.


4,065 posted on 07/31/2008 8:33:25 PM PDT by null and void (Barack Obama - International Man of Mystery...)
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To: Chief Engineer
>>>especially with the “found” birth announcement

Actually, I've had problems with the birth announcement that I've posted here.

The fonts aren't the same.

4,074 posted on 08/01/2008 5:18:14 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Chief Engineer; null and void

>>>Now the one question which I will direct at null and void is: Are the passport qualification papers which you have posted for the present day or for the 1961 period? Qualifications (identifying paperwork) is much more stringent now than it was in 1961! With the renewal option for U.S.passports all one has to do is make sure they renew their passport before the old one expires, never submitting more information.<<<

I want to add this tidbit about passports too:

I saw this on Israeli Insider:

http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm

In the comments by a poster named muzhik:

Obama may never have had to produce his birth certificate to get a passport. As a baby, he would have been included in his mother’s passport as a “family passport”. Whoever took her application may not have required her baby’s BC — it’s the ‘60s, she’s white, the daddy’s black, and it’s not like the kid will ever run for president. Sloppy by today’s standards, but not necessarily by the standards of the time.

After that, it’s just a matter of keeping the passport renewed. When he turned 14, Obama would have gotten his own passport, using the “family” passport as proof of citizenship. If he kept his passport renewed, he never would have needed to produce a certified birth certificate.


4,076 posted on 08/01/2008 5:21:31 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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