I don't think so. People are saying invalid because it breaks the link to anything that verifies the tie to the valid document.
We are being asked to believe the contents of the document, but the one piece of information that links the image to the real thing is lost. It begins to feel like the "fake, but accurate" of older days, where we are to believe that the contents of the image are true, even if the document that contains them may not exist. If we had the certificate number, we can verify the existence of the real document, and then confirm the contents.
But I think you know this.
-PJ
thanks for the link, PJ.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2038694/posts
Posted on Tuesday, July 01, 2008 4:23:03 AM by Polarik
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First of all, PJ...you were RIGHT about the hidden seal
Many thanks to Texas Darlin and Greg Gelembiuk, but props to the GIMP development team (http://www.gimp.org/) for providing the software used to examine these images.
* QUESTION: Are there seals hidden from view on the “Certificate of Live Birth” images posted to (a) the Daily Kos. (b) BarackObama.com (aka “Fight the Smears”) and/or (c) the two images posted on OPENDNA’s PhotoBucket account?
* ANSWER: YES to (a), but a big, fat NO to (b) and (c)
Basically, I believe I put to rest a flurry of posts on the other blogs that are showing off an enhanced version of the Daily Kos image which reveals what appears to be a seal hidden from view.
PJ pointed this out to me. Without the use of any filters, PJ could see tghe ripples in the Kos image.
And, my response to finding the hidden seal is BIG WOOF!
As I mentioned earlier on, the State of Hawaii does not issue uncertified COLB’s — either you have a COLB that bears the embossed seal and signature block on it, or you have zilch.
Therefore, ergo, at some point in the creation of the first fake image, there had to have been an actual COLB or a copy of an actual COLB.
Either way, you cannot create a fake COLB from thin air. You have to start with something that is a copy of one.
Speaking of “zilch,” that is exactly what Obama has provided to America to prove where, when and to whom he was born.
Obama does have some s’plainin’ to do.
We’ve read his “Audacity of Hype.”
We’ve read his “Schemes of my Birth Certificate.”
Now, please Sen. Obama...
Put up or shut up.
FURTHER COMMENT:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2038694/replies?c=50
With all due respect to the OP, this thread is about Obama’S BOGUS BC, and if we let the conversation be steered away from discussing this hoax, then those who started the hoax will have carte blanche to perpetuate even more fraudulent activities.
Enough of you do believe it IS a big deal, as I do, and as others have said. What I am going to do now, is to sum up exactly what these investigations mean to all of us.
OK, ready?
An original, printed on green paper, and duly certified, “Certification of Live Birth” for Barack Obama does not exist anywhere in the public domain, and most likely not in the private sector that is limited to Obama, his family, and anyone else authorized by the State of Hawaii to have one.
You can be sure that if a real one was obtained under false pretenses, the offender would have made a copy of it and either posted it under a pseudonym, exactly as it is, or is keeping it to blackmail Obama.
In short, whatever information is contained on the actual BC — if one really does exist — that information would likely be very damaging to Obama if ever released to the public.
The only thing we know for sure is that EVERY SINGLE IMAGE purported to be a copy of Obama’s real BC or COLB, is a phony, a fake, a forgery, and/or a fraud — take your pick of adjectives. Either one says that a crime has been committed.
And, is it not our civic duty to report any crime we see?
Somebody start the petition, and count me in as one of the first signers.
50 posted on 07/01/2008 10:17:05 PM PDT by Polarik (The Greater Evil)
POLITAL JUNKIE TWO...HAVE YOU SOMETHING TO ADD TO THIS NOW?
“If we had the certificate number, we can verify the existence of the real document, and then confirm the contents.”
That would do nothing for me, I dont have access nor rights to HI’s databases.
“We are being asked to believe the contents of the document, but the one piece of information that links the image to the real thing is lost.” False. The format, wording, content have been analyzed. And suspicions have been raised due to it.
What you are asking for is for Obama to wave the original in front of the cameras and show to journalists.
“It begins to feel like the “fake, but accurate” of older days”
I am sure he has the COLB, and that is what was shared (scanned version). He wont do more than this. Why not? Because it will suit them much better if this rabbit trail is pursued by the right-wing ‘crazies’, and the activity used to discredit his opponents should it get out of hand.
But we know Obama has such proof and such documents. His passport is a proof of US citizenship, and he has one.
The probability that his passport says anything other than “honolulu hawaii”? Nil. And if his passport has that, then prior in his life he provided sufficient proof of it to authorities. The COLB image therefore does have indirect confirmation of validity.