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To: supercat
It proves that Barack Obama's campaign was willing to put up a forged certificate, for whatever reason. That in and of itself should be a sound basis to question his character, regardless of what information is concealed on the forged cert.

I don't disagree. My point is only that I do not believe it will have that kind of political impact. The Obamatons devotion seems largely superficial and impervious to any negative information. As for undecideds, I just don't think most of them will care.

As I said, though, that is "if he was born in Hawaii." That is, assuming he comes out with a clearly legitimate birth certificate. In that case, I just don't think anybody, outside of those who already have no intention of voting for him, will care that, at one time, a false birth certificate was posted online "by an aide." Maybe it's the same aide that keeps coming out with policy statements that the candidate later corrects...

The only way this issue ever matters politically is if Obama actually does not have a Hawaiian birth certificate. And in that case, of course, it will be a legal matter, too.

1,317 posted on 07/05/2008 9:43:18 AM PDT by PhatHead
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To: PhatHead

OBAMA HAS HAD PASSPORTS WITH HIS PLACE OF BIRTH STAMPED ON THEM FOR MUCH OF HIS LIFE.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/5/15947/95667/125/547039

Opendna: Is Senator Barack H. Obama a natural born US Citizen?

Jay McKinnon: Beyond a reasonable doubt.

The Senator’s travels as a child and young man required a passport. For over a century, US passports have included a field for place of birth. (Fact) To the best of my recollection, every passport I have ever seen (and they are legion) has included a field for place of birth. In order to enter Indonesia in 1967, young Barack Obama would have required a passport. We know from his kindergarten “essay” that young Barack was aware of his US citizenship while living in Indonesia.

In order to return to the United States in 1971 young Barack would have required a passport. At his entry he would have either been a US Citizen or an Alien. If he was an Alien, he had a State Department-issued visa; if he didn’t have a visa, he was American. Again, we know prior to that date that he believed himself to be an American. Since 1971 Senator Obama has traveled many times on US passports and he now – as a US Senator – travels on an Official passport which carries greater diplomatic weight (and requires greater background scrutiny) than what most American travelers use. By virtue of holding an Official US passport, Senator Obama has better proof of his identify, citizenship and place of birth than upwards of 90% of Americans.

In order to believe that Barack Obama was born anywhere but the United States, we must believe that there is [1] a successful conspiracy (including people now dead for decades) – dating back to the 1960s – to hide his place of birth and defraud the State Department with the sole goal that Senator Obama be allowed to run for president in 2008; or [2] an on-going conspiracy within Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice’s Department to allow a foreign-born person to run for president. I regard both of these options as rather silly.

In March of 2008, the State Department revealed that employees had been caught looking at Senator Obama’s passport records. In order to believe that Senator Obama is not a natural born US Citizen, we must believe that (1) those caught would rather go to jail than blow the whistle on the State Department’s cover-up; and (2) there are federal ethics investigators who have examined Senator Obama’s records and are now party to the conspiracy. I regard both of these options as very silly.

While it is conceivably possible that Barack Obama is not a natural born US Citizen, I regard the odds as so infinitesimally small as to put the fact of his US-birth beyond a reasonable doubt. I regard the hope that credible evidence establishing foreign birth will be discovered on the internet to be profoundly silly.


1,518 posted on 07/05/2008 9:15:50 PM PDT by WOSG (http://no-bama.blogspot.com/ - NObama, stop the Hype and Chains candidate)
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