Posted on 07/03/2008 4:35:19 PM PDT by SE Mom
*shrug*
They may want to know why Barry Soetoro swore that he had never gone by any other names.
for the record:
Obama and DNC served today concerning lawsuit questioning his qualifications to be President
Private Email | September 4, 2008 | Philip J. Berg
Posted on Friday, September 05, 2008 10:40:35 AM by BILL_C
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2075005/posts?page=57
former name on attorney reg: NONE.
election information.PRINTED FORM LINK.
Wonder how he completed the (blank only) one above? NOTE: how pathetic! The requirement is only - List all names during last 3 years
Ah! Thanks.
He’s off the hook on that one.
The US has never used a strict version of either, but instead has generally used a hybrid definition of both. The first Congress (1790) defined "natural born citizen" with an exclusion based on the father's nationality. Later law put it the opposite way in cases of illegitimate children, where the mother's nationality is the one that mattered. The government didn't want citizen claims made by the illegitimate children of our military members serving abroad.
The original intent of the clause had to do with holding office while having an allegiance to a foreign sovereign nation. Far as I can tell, Obama's only allegiance is to himself.
In an interesting twist to this topic, McCain was born in Panama, where his father was stationed when he was born. His natural born citizenship came about through a law passed after he was born that had a retroactive provision that fit cases like his.
Show me the constitutional reference, please?
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States; -snip-
To establish a uniform rule of naturalization
Someone mentioned that Hillary site in a post yesterday & I enjoyed watching some of them eating their own.
The 1790 law was overturned in 1795.
The new law is mute on what ‘natural born citizen’ means.
As to being born overseas? One can be a citizen certainly, if he has a certificate of US citizen born abroad filed with the local embassy, AND he asserts his US citizenship when he reaches majority.
As to Constitutional eligibility? That is the subject of a rather lively debate. Sen Claire McCaskill (D) submitted a bill to establish the eligibility of anyone born to a U.S. citizen who is serving overseas as an active or reserve member of the U.S. armed forces.
Why? Because senator McCain’s father was a Navy officer serving in the Canal Zone when McCain was born in Panama (NOT IN THE CANAL ZONE).
The laws was never passed. Whether McCain is eligible is still an open question.
How much worse for Obama if he was born in Kenya (or anywhere outside the US)! Maybe that’s why Obama tried to get a phrase added to the McCaskill bill to allow any descendant of active duty military personnel counted as ‘natural born’
As it stands now, IF Obama was born in Kenya to an American mom, he would only be presumed to be a US citizen ONLY IF she WASN’T married to a Kenyan. Otherwise he would be a Kenyan by birth.
If she wasn’t married, he’d be a bastard, but he’d be an AMERICAN bastard, under current law.
BUT keep in mind that if he is a bastard, under the laws that were in force AT THE TIME OF BIRTH, he wouldn’t qualify as a citizen, due to his mom not satisfying the age and residency requirements.
But that’s OK, because under current law he would be an American by birth if Stanley Ann wasn’t married, and he was born in Kenya.
And if that’s not enough even if he is a citizen by birth, he may or may not meet the Constitutional requirement of being a natural born citizen. Once again, what exactly that turn of phrase means is the subject of a rather lively debate at the moment.
Radical turned actor Peter Coyote suggests as much in his diary written for the 1996 Democratic National Convention. "After that," Coyote writes, "I inform Martha that I'm dragging her to the apartment of old friends, ex-Weathermen, Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers, hosting a party for Senator Leahy. Perhaps Edward Said will be there."Thanks Fred and Lucy.
that's simply how this thread started, it hasn't been a distraction at all, over more than five thousand comments we have learned a great deal about the candidate, and every day there is more unfolding. We are way past the citizenship issue now, way past the CoLB forgery; he has been exposed as a TOTAL AND UTTER FRAUD. All the way. And by that I mean NAME. PLACE OF BIRTH. HISTORY. RELIGION. ETHNICITY.
WHO IS THIS MAN?
I think that presenting a forged “state” document as legitimate (like a birth certificate) is an illegal act in most states.
I’ve been in the bowels of a few Registers of Deeds... it shouldn’t be all that difficult for someone living in the jurisdiction he claims to be from to check. Even if the original doc has been put aside to discourage snoopers, something about it should be included in the county’s indexing system, not to mention printed in the newspaper of record.
Is this the same thread where someone made the case of him being the anti-Christ, based on his name?
$5572 comments and you want to know if I remember THAT? LOL!
More like, I was wondering if that was where your quesitons about his identity where leading. :::good place to cue creepy, spoooooky music:::
Start at #1! We’ve been through all that...
One of your posts on another thread dragged me over here & now you want me to wade through over 5000 posts? You're a tough taskmaster!
HA! Nothing worthwhile is easy...but you’re allowed to skip whatever doesn’t interest you. I only suggested it so that you don’t ask questions that have already been answered - many times.
Good luck - and enjoy.
reference
Sorry ‘bout that.
And I thank you for the Pings, I was too dumb to realize this was an on-going thread...
Which you know that I prefer to a bunch of little threads with important information and never found by me again.
We are going to add discussion of Hobbits and poetry soon.<<<
Lovely, as I don’t know about Hobbits either.
LOL.
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