This is the last posts in this thread, to answer the question:
Although there are corruptions and repressions in the government due to lack in powerful supervisions, it is being ameliorated from both the efforts from the government itself and the other common people, including over 100,000,000 well-educated college students who are destinied to dominate this country’s development, they are not blind. I believe in our education system, which cultivates such a lot of persons like me who can think independently, with no bias on the government or on the people, who hope to do good for the interest of our country, our people and help to improve the government.
China is so large with such a huge population of up to 1.4billion, with 0.9billion of them farmers. The steps of heading for democracy can not be too fast, it needs time but won’t be done in one night. What we need firstly is the stability of economic life and dominion of our own land, which can not be looted by the others. As long as we preserve stability and domonion of ourself instead of leting our destiny to the foreign, we will eventually make a better China, better and better, as time goes on.
Tibet is our domestic problems, we could handle it ourself, we will achieve a better result by discussions between both sides of Chinese who living in Tibet and the other place of China.
Please believe in us, and think more before post.
By the way, NYT also does not always tell the truth, it must help the government. Believe it or not, I have read a lot of articles in NYT about China, some of them even lack the basic knowledge of China and some fabricate on purpose, while some tend to mislead the people by equivocating.
Try to read more, but not solely your own media, ‘cause in some extent, to what extent I have no idea, media is controlled by the government.
Socialism and big centralized bureaucracy has never been a road to economic stability. It has been an abject failure every time it was tried, and an educated elite ruling class won't fix it. You seem to believe that it is more important for China to be a big country than it is for it to be a free country.
I believe that you will find that the main reason societies wither and die (whether by conquest and assimilation, or by insularity and isolation) is because of what the US tried to provide against in 1776 -- over-reaching and unaccountable government. It seems we all only speak what we want to hear, and spend little time seeing the truths before us.
The Declaration of Independence of the founders of the United States details the manner in which all societies fall, and they created a Constitution -- not for the People, but to place restrictions on government and the legal actions it can take. That we, the People, have failed to follow the precepts laid down in both of those documents is why America will fall, and why all governments that try to rule from the top down will also fail. It is not democracy that enables and ennobles a society, but rather Freedom -- Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.
Did they get it all right, from the start? No, but they tried, and did provide the legal framework to effect necessary changes.
Then what the heck are you guys doing in Zimbabwe?
Then what the heck are you guys doing in Zimbabwe?
That is because you can't support the contentions you make with evidence. You make sweeping statements but don't back them up. When you are challenged you insult the challenger instead of using logic and evidence. It shows you are not capable or else not willing to think for yourself. It is sad that your government has indoctrinated you so well that you don't even know that you are repeating lies that they made up. Very sad.
This is just stupid. The NYTs almost never tells the truth and hates the government. They do everything they can to lie about our government.
You handle yourself very well on this thread. It is always difficult to discuss a topic with so many people arguing with you at once. You have earmed the respect of many here.
Sadly, I do want to disagree with you on a few points in post #37...
Although there are corruptions and repressions in the government due to lack in powerful supervisions
The primary problem is that China's Constitution installs the Communist Party above the National People's Congress, the Supreme People's Court, and the Presidency. That lack of supervision you note is really just an unwillingness for the CCP leadership to allow itself to be subject to any review, criticism, or punishments for their occasional bad acts.
I believe in our education system, which cultivates such a lot of persons like me who can think independently, with no bias on the government or on the people, who hope to do good for the interest of our country, our people and help to improve the government.
I have taught in Chinese schools. Free indepedent thought does exist, but not to the degree necessary for true progress.
The steps of heading for democracy can not be too fast, it needs time but won’t be done in one night.
Non-Chinese people truly need to understand WHY Chinese people feel this way. Most Westerners have very little understanding about the Cultural Revolution, and its effects on the Chinese psyche. Please correct me if I am wrong, but most Chinese today seem to be reluctant to advocate for large-scale changes in short time periods. This is almost directly due to many of the "mistakes" of the Cultural Revolution.
What we need firstly is the stability of economic life and dominion of our own land, which can not be looted by the others.
Now most Chinese must understand that this stance is entirely promoted by the CCP leadership, and is utterly false. In fact, this position virtually guarantees that social progress will NOT be made, because no nation, not even the US at its greatest, would ever say that they are fully stable economically, nor that their borders are 100% safe. I promise you, my friend, that if you allow China to wait for this stability, it will never come.
As long as we preserve stability and domonion of ourself instead of leting our destiny to the foreign, we will eventually make a better China, better and better, as time goes on.
The most interesting point here is that China has rarely allowed outside forces to dominate its destiny. As most Chinese proudly proclaim today, the Chinese society is now "open". This means, of course, that it was not open previously. Before Richard Nixon's famous cooperation trip to China, China was only influenced by outside forces that used their military. China rarely bowed to mere political pressure. The same is true today. China's population, industrial importance, and drive to become a global power all mean that China's leaders do not bow to many external pressures.
Tibet is our domestic problems, we could handle it ourself, we will achieve a better result by discussions between both sides of Chinese who living in Tibet and the other place of China.
Ah, but that is the problem. China cannot even think about the fact that Tibet was not Chinese, and currently does not want to be Chinese. Tibetans do NOT consider their struggle to be a Chinese internal matter. Since the very first point of discussion is utterly rejected by one side, how can you have any discussion that brings peace, other than by using threats of force or cultural invasions to further the debates?
By the way, NYT also does not always tell the truth, it must help the government.
True, the NYT is AWFUL as an information source... but it only supports half of our government. They hate Republicans, and laways support Democrats.
Believe it or not, I have read a lot of articles in NYT about China, some of them even lack the basic knowledge of China and some fabricate on purpose, while some tend to mislead the people by equivocating.
I believe that 100% about the NYT. This webpage is FAR more educational, even though it also promotes so many individual opinions at the same time.
Try to read more, but not solely your own media, ‘cause in some extent, to what extent I have no idea, media is controlled by the government.
This is always good advice. Those who post in this webpage are probably among the best informed, and obtain information for more diverse sources than any other news outlet in the world. I truly believe this.
It is great to meet you, my FRiend! I hope to communicate more with you in the future. I just returned from Hong Kong and Guangdong province 2 weeks ago, and am eager to return soon.