Posted on 05/18/2008 4:11:08 AM PDT by nutspea
I do not know if this article suit to be posted here, but I just want to speak something.
Today when I went to NYT and an review attracted my attention, title "fed up with peace" (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/opinion/18kristof.html). This article frightens me. There it covered a monk who claimed that he( Dalai Lama) has been too peaceful over the China, and they should take some actions more violent, especially when he is gone. It depicts that this impatience seems widespread among young Tibetans , and remarks that the Dalai Lama should return Tibet as a spiritual leader and own more rights. Most important, it also observes, that China government should stop sending Han migrants to all Tibetan areas, to preserve their Tibetan character.
After finished reading I think there is a need to leave comments. To prevent wasting the time, I just want to ask the author one question, that is: You call for more rights to Tibet, but did you ever ask yourself such a question that to whom is this freedom belong? To judge the affairs in Tibet one must consult the history instead of vainly murmuring about the present. Don't you think it's weird that in the process of "free Tibet" movement only several monks and oversea persons stand up, instead of masses of Tibetans? After informed yourself with the past history of serfs in Tibet when ruled by these Lamas, could you tell me to whom is this freedom would be given if the Tibet is once again ruled by monks?
About the last remark of migrants, it makes me a little confused that as I can remember American always support culture diversity and communication. One thought in your head and another in mine, but if we make changes there go more than two. The same, the collision of culture will result more thoughts and help both the Han people and Tibetans, isn't it? Does it benifit the Tibetans more by isolating them?
Then what the heck are you guys doing in Zimbabwe?
That appears to me to be exactly what the Chinese are trying to do. The concept of "consent of the governed" is not there.
Chinese Regime Implicated in Staging Violence in Lhasa—UPDATED
Agents Provocateur? ["Tibetan supporter" who attacked torch bearer may be Chinese agent]
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‘Beijing orchestrating Tibet riots’
Attack on an American volunteer by anti-Carrefour mob in Zhuzhou, Hunan
"The cab driver was shouting at him to get out. Then they started hitting the car.
The crowd was shouting "kill him! kill the Frenchman.""
As to my personal feelings I wish the U.S. had never stopped supporting Tibetans with guns and butter.
That's funny. I personally know a few Tibetan lamas who escaped Tibet in the '50s and none of them say there was any serfdom imposed by the government in Lhasa. They all call the Chinese barbarians for what they did too. Of the approximately 200,000 Tibetans that have escaped Tibet since 1959 I have never heard of a single one that disagrees with that.
You should talk to some Tibetans. You would find they don't know what you're talking about.
Your arrogance is blinding you. Look at this video and tell me; do monks outnumber ordinary Tibetans?
When you do see monks in the video most of them are not participating in the violence. It's the ordinary Tibetan that is angry.
Except when your government blacks out a broadcast that they don't want you to hear.
fact can overthrow any prejudge.
and fact is that China is properous under the rule of a big centrialized bureaurcracy..
fact can overthrow any prejudge.
and fact is that China is properous under the rule of a big centrialized bureaurcracy..
Really? So why is it every time we have trade negotiations they say they need special consideration because thery're still a poor, developing country?
That is because you can't support the contentions you make with evidence. You make sweeping statements but don't back them up. When you are challenged you insult the challenger instead of using logic and evidence. It shows you are not capable or else not willing to think for yourself. It is sad that your government has indoctrinated you so well that you don't even know that you are repeating lies that they made up. Very sad.
This is just stupid. The NYTs almost never tells the truth and hates the government. They do everything they can to lie about our government.
well, have you seen blogs of guys experiencing Lhasa riot?
I have seen it,but I am afraid that you can’t read them because they are written in Chinese.
have you telephoned those experiencing the riot?
I have,because I have some relatives there.
What I received is that Han-Chinese were robbed and even killed by mob in the riot and soldiers were forbidden shotting.
Did you view any of the videos I linked to? No, you didn’t did you? Tibetans stopped posting on the internet and calling from their cell phones after the crackdown in Lhasa because they were being rounded up, beaten and thrown in prison. The few who did get messages out talked of the general repression, the killings of monks and farmers, the beatings and the round ups.
1,well, it is so just because China was too poor. the growth of wealth is still not enough to let all the poor out of poverty.
China is still poor,but it was much poorer .
2,to some extent,” we are still poor” is also a tactic of bargaining.
Since “we are still poor” ,we can persude others to give us more aid and lessen the pressure of burden more responsibity.
So your prosperity is due to your big centralized bureaucracie's ability to get other people to give you stuff? Nice guys. That sounds like just the kind of government every country should have. Just think how much better off we'd all be.
Tibetan themselves are devided ,as for the attitude to Han-Chinese.
1, Most Tibetan citizens in Lhasa ddn’t support the riot at all. Instead,they helped lots of hurt Han-Chinese. reason? very simple, Tibetan citizens benefit from the modernization of Tibet most. They don’t want such modernization to be stopped by the riot or any unstablity.
2,The Main participants in the riot were the young peasants in rural area. Why? because those young tibetan peasants benefits much less from modernization than those Tibetan citizens,due to the lonely location and less education.
Many rural Tibetan even can’t speak Mandarin,let alone read/write Chinese. In CHina, those who can’t speak Mandarin can’t find any decent jobs in cities.
But,the less education of Tibetan is not the fault of CHinese government .in fact ,Chinese government provides free education and speical subsidy to Tibetan students.But Government’s help doesn’t always work. As we see in USA ,governmental helps doesn’t help black and aboriginal Indians out of less educaiton either.
3,the leaders of the riot are the monks
why?
very simple....The monk class in Tibet feel their posion seriously thretened by the modernizaton of Tibetan.
Monk’s class still rules the mentality of lot of less-education tibetan,espeically those rural Tibetan.
For examle,many ill tibetan eat the dejecta of monks,because they believes the dejecta of monks can cure their diseases.
The other guy couldn’t tell me, maybe you can. What the heck are you guys doing over in Zimbabwe, anyway?
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