Posted on 05/18/2008 4:11:08 AM PDT by nutspea
I do not know if this article suit to be posted here, but I just want to speak something.
Today when I went to NYT and an review attracted my attention, title "fed up with peace" (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/18/opinion/18kristof.html). This article frightens me. There it covered a monk who claimed that he( Dalai Lama) has been too peaceful over the China, and they should take some actions more violent, especially when he is gone. It depicts that this impatience seems widespread among young Tibetans , and remarks that the Dalai Lama should return Tibet as a spiritual leader and own more rights. Most important, it also observes, that China government should stop sending Han migrants to all Tibetan areas, to preserve their Tibetan character.
After finished reading I think there is a need to leave comments. To prevent wasting the time, I just want to ask the author one question, that is: You call for more rights to Tibet, but did you ever ask yourself such a question that to whom is this freedom belong? To judge the affairs in Tibet one must consult the history instead of vainly murmuring about the present. Don't you think it's weird that in the process of "free Tibet" movement only several monks and oversea persons stand up, instead of masses of Tibetans? After informed yourself with the past history of serfs in Tibet when ruled by these Lamas, could you tell me to whom is this freedom would be given if the Tibet is once again ruled by monks?
About the last remark of migrants, it makes me a little confused that as I can remember American always support culture diversity and communication. One thought in your head and another in mine, but if we make changes there go more than two. The same, the collision of culture will result more thoughts and help both the Han people and Tibetans, isn't it? Does it benifit the Tibetans more by isolating them?
It belongs to you, and is an inalienable right given to you by God.
I'm sure the boot that China has on the neck of Tibet is gentle and benevolent and they only want the good for the people there.
Many blessings in your serfdom.
You sees to misunderstand me.
What I am trying to present is a question. that is: will the Tibetan get the so-called right if they are put under the spiritual lead of Dalai Lama? I just want the critics
in the NYT can think before talk, to make our if they are really doing good to the Tibetans.
I am a Chinese, I hope there will more freedom across this country, no matter for the Tibetans, or for the Han People.
If you ponder on this matter of Tibet you will not post such article.
BTW, I can not post in the NYT, so Acording to your reponse on the quake of Sichuan, I chose to post my comments here, hope this does not make trouble.
There is no serfdom now for immediately after 1950 we declared to abolish it forever. Serfdom just exist under the rule of the others but not the current government.
China controls the destiny of Tibet.
Whatever Tibet wishes to become it may only do what China allows.
That is sefdom.
Tibet is a perfect example of why we should never have a unilateral disarming. Tibet once had a very powerful military. When one of their rules that followed the path of Buddha, they laid down their arms unilaterally. China, then seized the land and the rest is history.
—”Don't you think it's weird that in the process of “free Tibet” movement only several monks and oversea persons stand up, instead of masses of Tibetans?”
You could say this about the Chinese as well, no? As for the Han we will be killing most of them eventually anyway.
Well I agree that partly you are right, we hope improvements on this situation.
If one day it is the Tibetans ask for more freedom but not the monks, then we will give it more serious considerations, for the government must put the interest of his people on the first place.
If the author chose to support the masses of tibetans we are happy to receive criticisms, but please think more before grant honors to Dalai Lama, if there is one persons supporting this man, it will be the once-priority-owned monks but not the people in Tibet.
Is that clear? I hope American truly understand who is Dalai Lama, and the future of Tibet is ruled by him and some of the monks that support him. If you have the chance go to Tibet and ask the local people who does they support and how is their life now. I bet they may give a variouslist, but definitely the name of Dalai will not be included.
Well if you pull the history so far, I think that all the nations need reflections. Remember the history of local indians or Maoris? not to mention the past wreckage we just want to do better for the present, aren’t we?
I had been in Tibet for several days, which is a large place for the Tibetans to prosper on and we have no intentions of killing anyway. I think that you may need to read more before posting words of “genocidal”.
If the people of Tibet donot want the Dalai Lama then shouldn't they reject him? Today the Chinese reject the Dalai.
Your arguments are hollow. The Tibetans have no rights (nor do the Chinese). The iron fist of communist totalitarins rule both Tibet anf China.
You live at their pleasure.
Yes... When you are a nation that has neither no means of protection nor the will to fight against an aggressor, you are always the loser.
YOu have alot of nerve coming on this site of all places and spewing your PRC propaganda. Tibet does not belong to China. China THINKS it does, but the Tibetan people were once free and will one day be so again. As far as your assertion that the Han migration/GENOCIDE can be compared to American settlers, don’t make me laugh - part of the reason the Tibetans rioted was because of the economic disparity between the poor Tibetans and the Han.
Then why the author as an American has the words to say about Tibet?
Sorry. Lama left Tibet 5o years ago, I do not know why the Tibetans need to reject him ‘cause he has been refused. If the Tibetans want him back they may stand up to welcome him, which is not the case.
Yes, Ok. If neither we nor Tibetans have no right to judge themself, then who is on the list? American? French?
According to you all the people is once free there is even no any government or nations exist. I am not here to argue but to tell the truth, but ended up with receiving arrogance.
And, the protest is not waged by the Tibetans but a small part of monks, are there anything not clear on this matter? I have gone to Tibet and I know what’s happening that days.
I am just a common student and I also have no favor on the government, as I stated before, I see, I think and then I remark with no bias. (That is also why I left for Hong Kong to study and plan to reside there to get more freedom and a more open atmosphere on speech.)
If the Tibetans stood up to demand a return of the Dalai they would be shot by the Chinese.
Americans and Frenchmen VOTE for their government. They have rights under a constitution. They have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. They have the right to bear arms and to petition their government for grievances.
Neither Chinese nor Tibetans have any of these rights. They are serfs/slaves to a cadre of evil men. As such they are not free men.
Freedom is expensive. Freedom can only be purchased w/ blood.
Until China raises the "capital" to purchase freedom they will remain a poverty stricken nation. Regardless of the trade balance.
Arrogance is coming into a forum and trying to convince people that Tibet belongs to China and that the unrest is only being caused by a couple of monks and a handful of protesters. But the funniest is your assertion that the Tibetan people don’t want the Dali Lama back. WHAT A LAUGH RIOT. The people love and revere the Dali Lama, so save your lies. Hey, by the way, what did China do with the Penchan Lama!?! Why has no one seen him for like 18 years?!? Go back to school, you have a lot of learning to do.
Finally I truly know a typical American. What an ardent man yet with so vacant voices. When you are told by the American media how does China look like but not from the eyes of you own because of lack in knowledge on Mandarin Chinese, do you really think you are right?
Firstly I must state that I am not here to criticize anything or anybody, to tell my idea is the only purpose of this post.
China is heading for more improvements. I have been watching NYT for more than 5 year when I am just a little boy, and know what is really happening in America.
Could you tell me when Bush decided to occupy Iraq which caused thousand of Americans dead and even more Iraqis in pain, where is your right for petition? As a stark contrast, when China government plan to build a noxious chemical plant in Xiameng(a Chinese coastal city) the citizens stood up for protests which finally make the government abolish this plan.
Where is the right for Americans under constitution when there is a cyclone at Katrina which causes great wreckage but you troop are sent there just to crack down the people suffering? While in this Sichuan quake our army are sent there to save people?
As for freedom of speech? In china there are a lot of media that could tell the truth, for example the newspaper of southern-city, do you have even a small piece idea of this newspaper? No. Try to talk about the freedom of speech in China after finished reading some articles in this newspaper. And, take our university as an example, in her BBS system there is a board where everyday thousands of articles were posted to talk about the politics and the government. Do you know it? I am sorry no. Maybe we don’t perform the best, but we are in the process of doing better.
Freedom of religion? It is who that told you in China we have no freedom of religion? Do not make me laugh. Around me all the people are free to believe in any religions, one of my friends is a Christian, although the amount of persons who believe in religion is small, due to the Chinese special history of religion. Recently in 2007 September - A new Roman Catholic bishop of Beijing is consecrated - the first for over 50 years to have the tacit approval of the Pope. Does it tell you anything?
AND, China has a graduated-students’ population of over 100,000,000, such as me, who can access almost all the western media like NYT and BBC, who can read such a lot of western thoughts on democracy and freedom, who can think after such a reading. Are they all blind to withstand such a government if it is as you depicted to block speech and religion?
If you know Mandarin Chinese you can access Tianya Forum in China to see what is really happening in China, instead of just listening to the education of media of your own.
Americans and Frenchmen VOTE for their government. They have rights under a constitution. They have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. They have the right to bear arms and to petition their government for grievances.
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