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What folks like myself pointed out was that this was consistent with increased pressure outside the aircraft probably from an explosion close to it.

There's no way that the air data computer could tell the difference between an explosion inside or outside the airframe. Pneumatic lines connect the static ports to the air data computer so as long as the explosion was exterior to that system the data is consistent with a fuel tank explosion.

McClaine was Navy too. He said the same thing to me. I asked him if he knew anything about the USS Liberty. Turns out that one of his good friends was on that ship. He changed his mind. You will too, if you think about it.

I'm not sure what the U.S.S. Liberty has to do with this. I've heard that several submarines and the Theodore Roosevelt may have been in the area. The military can't even fly a nuclear weapon accidently from North Dakota to Louisiana with everyone in the world knowing. They didn't fire a missle that night and cover it up. They couldn't have kept it quiet if they wanted to .

Numerous attempts to ignite Jet-A fuel and/or fumes under even remotely similar conditions with sparks or open flames have all failed so far as I am aware.

This is simply false. Jet fuel, heated above a certain temp, becomes explosive. TWA 800 spent 2 hours on the tarmac with its packs running. Tests determined that with the same amount of fuel as TWA 800 had, the airconditioning packs could heat the fuel to above that explosive temp.

As far as Egypt Air, once the NTSB figured out the airplane was in good shape, the FBI took over the investigation of the accident.

17 posted on 05/20/2008 4:05:10 AM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot
I guess if you don't want to consider the evidence, there's no way I can convince you but I am going to try one more time.

There's no way that the air data computer could tell the difference between an explosion inside or outside the airframe.

The final two lines of data reported included:

Alt IAS AoA
13772 298 3
10127 100 106
These data are consistent with an explosion outside and below the aircraft behind the intake for the ram air pitot tube. Below because the AoA shifts to 106 degrees, and behind the tube that senses the pressure that is converted to IAS because of the drop to 100 kts IAS. No explosion inside the air plane could have produced these readings. (That's why the NTSB came up with the fiction that they were old data left over from a previous flight, at 100 kts, ha, ha, and deleted them.)


I'm not sure what the U.S.S. Liberty has to do with this.

The Liberty has to do with people on board Naval ships being able to keep secrets. McClaine understood. From the USS Liberty Memorial page:

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. This USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.

This is simply false. Jet fuel, heated above a certain temp, becomes explosive. TWA 800 spent 2 hours on the tarmac with its packs running. Tests determined that with the same amount of fuel as TWA 800 had, the airconditioning packs could heat the fuel to above that explosive temp.

This is simply not true. I refer you to Cmdr. Donaldson's page (Donaldson was also Navy) where he has video of several experiments including one described thusly:

In this experiment Cmdr. Donaldson uses a crab steamer to heat Jet A fuel beyond the fuel's boiling point. The experiment shows that the vapor does not become explosive until 185 degrees and even then it is not enough for a violent explosion. This closed container test uses a 5 gallon container placed on top of a propane burner. The container has a temperature probe inserted in the bottom of the tank to measure the internal fuel temperature. The ignition source uses a light bulb element to create an extreme spark.

As far as Egypt Air, once the NTSB figured out the airplane was in good shape, the FBI took over the investigation of the accident.

Actually, as I pointed out the FBI never did take over the investigation. But leaving that aside, are you suggesting that the NTSB decided that TWA 800 was in good shape (Actually they decided the opposite, didn't they?) and they decided this in less than 24 hours?

I really hope you will consider all of the evidence. The eyewitnesses count too, and include several military pilots. The activation of W-105 and the naval craft known to be in the vicinity should also be considered, along with the obvious disinformation the government has proffered. There is only one reason disinformation exists and that is to obscure the truth.

ML/NJ

18 posted on 05/20/2008 6:29:26 AM PDT by ml/nj
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