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To: Turret Gunner A20
And, are you stills ticking to this quote of yours given in post # 1:

"All science is tentative, and nothing is ever proved!" (—Coyoteman)

Yes, I am "stills ticking" to that concept. The reason is given in the two definitions below. (And I am not just making these up. The second is from a CalTech website. I am sure you will agree that the folks at CalTech know something about science, won't you?)

Proof: Except for math and geometry, there is little that is actually proved. Even well-established scientific theories can't be conclusively proved, because--at least in principle--a counter-example might be discovered. Scientific theories are always accepted provisionally, and are regarded as reliable only because they are supported (not proved) by the verifiable facts they purport to explain and by the predictions which they successfully make. All scientific theories are subject to revision (or even rejection) if new data are discovered which necessitates this.

Proof: A term from logic and mathematics describing an argument from premise to conclusion using strictly logical principles. In mathematics, theorems or propositions are established by logical arguments from a set of axioms, the process of establishing a theorem being called a proof.

The colloquial meaning of "proof" causes lots of problems in physics discussion and is best avoided. Since mathematics is such an important part of physics, the mathematician's meaning of proof should be the only one we use. Also, we often ask students in upper level courses to do proofs of certain theorems of mathematical physics, and we are not asking for experimental demonstration!

So, in a laboratory report, we should not say "We proved Newton's law" Rather say, "Today we demonstrated (or verified) the validity of Newton's law in the particular case of..." Source.


88 posted on 04/30/2008 8:40:57 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Coyoteman; al baby
"stills ticking" has the makings of another "my beeber is stuned" moment.

al baby, you might have competition.

Cheers!

132 posted on 04/30/2008 7:51:16 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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