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To: Rudder
To win the general we also need independents and crossover democrats.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That is not going to happen.

The MSM HATE Bush invective of 8 years has transferred itself to the Republican Party in general.

Obama will be the Dem nominee, he is just getting started, and Hillary cannot unite the Dem party. She is basically done for. Her winning the nomination is the supposition that is in error, and leads many Republicans to see a need for crossover moderate democrats, who will ALL vote for the populist dem candidate, Obama. Soros has a winner.

This is the wrong approach. Republicans need to rely on their successes, and there are many. And the Republican party needs to mend its bridges to 40% of its electorate, severed when the Republican Party failed to deliver on promised legislation in the Senate, thanks to the tyranny ( and that is not a strong enough word) of the gang of 14.

We need to simply reconstruct that momentum, and that WILL be a lot more possible than creating a "moderate " constituency out of whole cloth, by foisting a liberal on to an already reluctant Republican electorate.

This moderate cross over argument got Republicans diddly squat in 2006. And it will get the party diddly squat in 2008.

And the MSM barrage on Rudy is basically an attempt to hi jack the party over to a liberal philosophy in governance, which is not acceptable to the vast majority of Republicans, on issues of the 2nd amendment ( opposite a renewed ban on self defence weaponry), abortion ( opposite a refusal to use birth control over abortion), illegal aliens ( opposite a no secured border and wholesale immigration), the war in Iraq ( opposite treason and mis-information), health care ( opposite socialized medicine, a failure in Canada) , pharmaceuticals ( opposite a policy to reduce prices ** the only dem winner), nuclear power generation ( opposite wind power and no drilling), social security (opposite do nothing but increase social programs for the elderly), and taxation ( opposite tax the rich)and gay marriage ( opposite pro gay marriage amendment).

Rudy has a pretty inconsitent record on all of these issues as Mayor of New York. He was a draft dodger, getting a law clerk deferment like Clinton, or that is what we called Clinton for the same. Rudy has no military experience at a time when we need a commander in chief, the war against Islamofascism must achieve bipartisan status, just as the Cold War did. And Rudy hasn't the right stuff as a militarily inexperienced mayor who cross dressed to pander for the gay NYC vote.

Rudy as the nominee? Its a wet dream that everybody needs to get over, so we can get down to the business of reconstructing the party post 2006 apocalypse, preceded by the loss of such good men as Tom DeLay ( thankyou RINOs) and the Dem legal kangaroo courts initiatives.

Rudy is no Republican, and he cannot unify the Republican party, which should be apparent to anyone who sees the Freeper polls conducted here.

Will the conservatives secede in the Republican party? Not really. The question will simply be will they be forced out with a top down hi-jacking of the party? Thats the question. And so far the answer is YES to that question, according to the MSM, and Rudy mavins, who are a bit too enthusiastic for any conservative's liking.

THe MSM want Rudy to run. They think they have won a propaganda war with their continuous barrage of lies and deception and now seek to dictate who will be the Republican annointed ( If you want to win you had better.....etc.)

What a laugh, as if the MSM will have ANYTHING to say about who a Republican nominee should be.

They can stick their early Polls right up their pre- greased MSM asses. Republicans know how to win elections, we beat the Dims in the last two and we will beat them in 2008, in our own inimitable fashion: via representative democracy, and that won't involve creating a new,so called "Moderate" Republican constituency out of whole cloth.

Thats a pipe dream and an MSM trap.

Where is McCain's moderate constituency in Arizona? Look at what the Arizona Republican caucus did to McCain in its member survey, where he finished dead last as a nominee for president because of his attacks on conservatives in the 2006 election cycle, in Arizona. The bitterness for that betrayal is overwhelming in Arizona, just as it would be if Rudy gets on the same way, and he will, he will be forced to, and when that happens, if he is the nominee by hook or crook, the Republican party can waive goodbye to 40% of its electorate, which can NEVER be replaced by " moderate crossovers."

So finally the Republican leadership has actually lost its noogies. The Age of Aquarius has dawned for them? What a recipe for disaster. And conservative Republicans will continue to point that out and lobby hard for a unifying , nationally appealing, nominee who has the qualities needed to reconstruct the party after its RINO debacle in the last congress.

That ain't Rudy Giulliani by a long shot. He is basically a liberal, one of the kind who pr3evented the legislation we so needed to lead our nation forward, and when push came to shove, the liberal Pubbies , McCain at the forefront, sacked it. Now McCain and his ilk, Rudy among them, will have to account for that. No MSM polls or RNC jumpimg around will prevent that accounting, and its on its way.

When we are done, there will be a wonderful nominee who will unify the Republican party, and he or she won't be a cross dresser.

128 posted on 02/26/2007 11:28:29 AM PST by Candor7
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To: Candor7
Rudder:To win the general we also need independents and crossover democrats.

Candor7: That is not going to happen.

That happens every election. The dems and the GOP must garner votes from independents and crossover dems to win any election.

So, to win any election the candidate has to appeal to independents and cross-overs---and you say no way.

Why?

132 posted on 02/26/2007 2:43:50 PM PST by Rudder
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