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To: FARS
This is true, but it is only part of the truth. Hitler also killed all of Europe's spirit. Their towns and great cities were devastated. By some accounts, nearly 50 million died in WWII. The Europeans became pacifists, because war was too terrible for them to contemplate. They became relativists, and assumed that a compromise could be reached with everyone.

Postmodernism and the preoccupation with sex also did an incredible amount of damage. One of the interesting things is that the more preoccupied a culture becomes with sex, the fewer children they have. They abort, or use birth control, and sex is recreation, not procreation. Ultimately, the Post-Modernists believe in nothing. This is Europe's primary problem, now. They don't believe in anything, and don't even have the energy to reproduce.

Whenever I think of Europe and Post-Modernism, I think of Andy Warhol(yes, I know he's from New York). Jaded and bored, he indulged in everything, simply looking for a new sensation. European "art" now frequently has "installations", which are simply trash thrown in a room. There have been several incidents where janitors have come into the modern museums in Europe and cleaned up the exhibit, thinking someone had just thrown trash into the room. I wonder if Europe will even protest much as the Muslims destroy them. Art reflects a culture. Much of European culture today is simply staring into the abyss, seeing nothing worth saving or caring about. They like their little pleasures, but not enough to defend them. There's nothing worth living for or dying for, just points of view. They jail people for hate speech, because it puts off the day of reckoning with the Muslims, but they won't fight. Today, much of France's military is muslim, and there's a real possibility of a civil war within the military if they try to put down the insurrections.

71 posted on 02/17/2007 8:46:18 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball

Can't argue with you on most of what you say.


74 posted on 02/17/2007 8:50:53 PM PST by FARS
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To: Richard Kimball; lizol; Michael81Dus; sergey1973; twinself; Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit; ...
Postmodernism and the preoccupation with sex also did an incredible amount of damage. One of the interesting things is that the more preoccupied a culture becomes with sex, the fewer children they have. They abort, or use birth control, and sex is recreation, not procreation. Ultimately, the Post-Modernists believe in nothing. This is Europe's primary problem, now. They don't believe in anything, and don't even have the energy to reproduce.

Not that long ago I had a funny discussion with a Mormon girl and boy from the US who came here to southern Germany to "evangelize" me. They even learned German to find new lambs for their church. Being brainwashed with their (to me) strange ideology and religion they were unable to understand that nearly nobody (including me) was really interested into their message. Two strange birds. Probably you will find yourself in the same situation like them if you argue with other Europeans on your basis and your conviction.

Yup. Most of us Europeans like our way of sex and we do not want to adopt your personal lifestlye. Since you as a person can not represent America as a whole I also can not represent my continent of course. But let me say that much: Yes I for my part like sex and I think that lust is a gift of God that has to be apprechiated. Of course it is up to you to reduce your sexual pleasure to a mechanical act to multiply that is alternated with devout prayers. But let me say you this - I feel deep compassion for your poor partner. Interestingly the most religious countries in Europe like Poland have the lowest reproduction rate with 1.25 kids/woman while in secular France each average woman still has 1.84 kids.

Source:https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html

Even America has a horrible reproduction rate if we take white females alone. Your population in Texas has a great benefit from all those pretty and young Mexican muchachas and their latino boyfriends that overflow your country. Maybe it is not political correct to say that, but it are for sure not the settled and educated people in America that have the most children.

And -last but not least- talking about religion. Even in the most secular European areas like eastern Germany or the Czech Republic you find a rich religious life among those who believe. As far as I know you Americans have such areas too. You simply have to go to New York. Besides there are areas (southern Germany, Italy, Poland, Switzerland, Austria etc. etc. etc.) who have equal much or more worshippers like you in Texas. It is simply unfair to deny that Europeans believe. Maybe we are no members of your Westboro Baptist Church or other "holy" American churches, but we have a strong belief and are members of the catholic church or protestant European churches. You are well advised to excuse yourself.

Whenever I think of Europe and Post-Modernism, I think of Andy Warhol(yes, I know he's from New York).

Yes. He was a real American. Nevertheless you do not understand anything about art. Art is more than a reduced primitivism that produces cute pictures. If you like such than you have to go to North Korea.

The Europeans became pacifists, because war was too terrible for them to contemplate.

Oh well - My granddad shot down quite a few US-bombers (and also machines from the UK) over Germany in late WWII with his Focke-Wulf and left a real mountain of American corpses. After the war, when he found out that he fought for the wrong side he was filled with bitter sorrow over the mess he had arranged (although he did it in purely defensive missions). The life of a fallen young man will never come back and all who have a heart beating in their chest will feel the mourning and the tears of the poor mothers. No. We Europeans are not all pacifists. - But we think twice before we start a war.

Post Scriptum:

This whole threat here is extremely moronic.

97 posted on 02/17/2007 11:24:14 PM PST by Atlantic Bridge (De omnibus dubitandum!)
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To: Richard Kimball

Actually, Andy Warhol is from here in Pittsburgh. Every once in a while when a local station covers the Andy Warhol museum here, you see his brother pop up.


113 posted on 02/18/2007 8:20:16 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Pansy: 1987 - 2006, I miss you, Princess. RIP. Say "Hi" to Greystone for me)
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To: Richard Kimball; Enterprise
Much of European culture today is simply staring into the abyss, seeing nothing worth saving or caring about. They like their little pleasures, but not enough to defend them

I agree. For starters, there is a statue honoring the world's oldest profession going up in the Netherlands, and last I heard, there is a "comfort station" (AKA house of prostition) planned at Schipol Airport Amsterdam for weary travelers.....really uplifting stuff.
164 posted on 02/19/2007 7:31:36 PM PST by MelonFarmerJ (Proudly voting Republican/conservative in every election since 1964)
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