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Pat Tillman's Legacy(Nation Magazine)
The Nation magazine ^ | October 20. 2006 | Kevin Tillman

Posted on 10/20/2006 4:15:44 PM PDT by Dane

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To: EveningStar
He's not scum. He's just gullible.

I don't give this guy a pass because of his service or his brother, just as I don't give Sheehan a pass because of her son.

21 posted on 10/20/2006 6:26:26 PM PDT by SIDENET (Is it too early for flapjacks?)
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To: SIDENET

I have a soft spot for vets. I never served (although I tried).


22 posted on 10/20/2006 6:28:10 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: AnnaZ

PAT TILLMAN IS AN AMERICAN HERO
Plus, WAS SO HOT

It is a crying shame he is dead.
He was shot by frinedly fire & it was covered up.
His family was lied to about the death.
I can't blame Kevin for speaking out to what he believes to be truth.

Freedom of Speech

He has well earned his right to say whatever the hell he wants...and if you Dane don't like it...go write your own article....better yet....go tell Kevin yourself.


23 posted on 10/20/2006 6:38:11 PM PDT by Feiny (Save the Whales. Collect the whole set.)
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To: Dane

I'd bet you would be cursing those same kids if they had written letters opposing the war.


24 posted on 10/20/2006 6:40:01 PM PDT by Feiny (Save the Whales. Collect the whole set.)
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To: feinswinesuksass; Dane; AnnaZ; All
I wish the Prez would issue the following Executive Order and direct it to the Military:

Friendly Fire occurs in ever war.

Therefore, it's stupid to lie about it.

Therefore, tell the families %@&*ing truth!
25 posted on 10/20/2006 7:24:53 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: feinswinesuksass
I can't blame Kevin for speaking out to what he believes to be truth

So you are saying it is the truth of what Kevim Tillman and noam chomsky portray,that America is the force of evil in this world.

Yuh know much less "hot" people have given up their lives for America and don't see it as a disgrace or try to spit on their honor as Kevin Tillman seems to be doing.

26 posted on 10/21/2006 12:03:38 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

I find it hard to believe the Tillman brothers were big fans of Chomsky. If that's true, then why would they join the Army?


27 posted on 10/21/2006 12:13:16 AM PDT by defenderSD (Blogging from a secure, undisclosed location in the southwestern United States.)
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I find it hard to believe the Tillman brothers were big fans of Chomsky. If that's true, then why would they join the Army?

They are fans of Chomsky, as is his father. I believe that Pat Tillman started reading chomsky while in the army.

But like I said it is not me who is degrading the sacrifice of the soldiers, it is Kevin Tillman, who has bought into the intellectual poison of uber hate America, noam chomsky.

28 posted on 10/21/2006 12:20:00 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

I think NATO is in Afghanistan more to put pressure on Iran than to destroy Al Qaeda's base of operations. We could have crushed AQ rather well just with air power, but we need to hold the key air bases in Afghanistan in case we have to raid Iran and take out their nuclear weapons facilities. The dumb left-wing news media has completely ignored this reason for invading Afghanistan (and Iraq), or maybe most of the media hasn't figured this out yet. Jose Maria Aznar of Spain had a great statement about the invasion of Afghanistan. He said, "This was not an act of vengance. This was a strategic objective."


29 posted on 10/21/2006 12:28:08 AM PDT by defenderSD (Blogging from a secure, undisclosed location in the southwestern United States.)
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To: Dane

You're not too bright, are you? Mocking kindertgartners, no less. If you can't analyse a simple sentence, why are you worth listening to?


30 posted on 10/21/2006 12:48:21 AM PDT by planetesimal (All is flux)
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To: planetesimal
You're not too bright, are you? Mocking kindertgartners, no less. If you can't analyse a simple sentence, why are you worth listening to?

Are you talking about me or Kevin Tillman.

I am not the one who is mocking the Kindergarteners or basically spitting on the graves of the men who are fighting the terrorists, that would be Kevin Tillman.

31 posted on 10/21/2006 1:06:32 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
I am not the one who is mocking the Kindergarteners
. Great. Who said you were? You accuse Tillman of that, without evidence.
32 posted on 10/21/2006 1:20:59 AM PDT by planetesimal (All is flux)
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To: planetesimal
Great. Who said you were? You accuse Tillman of that, without evidence.

Right here is the evidence.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It's interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Good lord man, what part of the mocking of kindergarteners don't you understand.(i.e "support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas").

33 posted on 10/21/2006 1:29:46 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
what part of the mocking of kindergarteners don't you understand.
None of it. The next sentence shows what Tillman believes is inadequate about the 3 things he lists; in this case, a soldier is 'supported' by receiving a picture (note: the child's sincere feelings are not mocked or even mentioned) from a kid he's hardly seen due to serving 3 or 4 consecutive tours. Tillman clearly believes troops with kids would be better supported if troop levels and deployment were such that they spent more valuable time with them - I find it easy to believe Tillman believes this due to first-hand testimony from his buddies.
34 posted on 10/21/2006 1:48:32 AM PDT by planetesimal (All is flux)
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To: planetesimal
The next sentence shows what Tillman believes is inadequate about the 3 things he lists; in this case, a soldier is 'supported' by receiving a picture (note: the child's sincere feelings are not mocked or even mentioned)

Uh Tillman is mocking that support of the kindergartener. It's obvious to anyone who can read.

35 posted on 10/21/2006 1:55:41 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: planetesimal
I find it easy to believe Tillman believes this due to first-hand testimony from his buddies.

Then why didn't Tillman mention his buddies in this rant. Seems he is more pissed off at the kindergartener who "scribbles with crayons" to show support of his "buddies".

36 posted on 10/21/2006 1:57:42 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane
Seems he is more pissed off at the kindergartener who "scribbles with crayons" to show support of his "buddies".
Any reasonable reading of that passage does not lead one to think Tillman is pissed off with children, rather than the people who made the decisions that ensured they spent the precious first years of their life interacting with their dads via drawings.
37 posted on 10/21/2006 2:24:08 AM PDT by planetesimal (All is flux)
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To: planetesimal
Look, it's Dane. You'd have a better chance teaching particle physics to a flea than teaching basic lexical analysis & comprehension to Dane.
38 posted on 10/21/2006 2:32:44 AM PDT by Yossarian (Everyday, somewhere on the globe, somebody is pushing the frontier of stupidity.)
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To: planetesimal
Any reasonable reading of that passage does not lead one to think Tillman is pissed off with children, rather than the people who made the decisions that ensured they spent the precious first years of their life interacting with their dads via drawings

Excuse me what are you reading? Here's the paragraph again.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It's interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat

It's obvious that kindergarteners support of the troops is a subject of Mr. Tillman's poisonous pen. He is mocking their support of the troops and of him.

39 posted on 10/21/2006 2:35:41 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Yossarian
Look, it's Dane. You'd have a better chance teaching particle physics to a flea than teaching basic lexical analysis & comprehension to Dane

Do you have comment about Mr. Tillman's piece or jus ad hominems against me.

Mr. Tillman is entitled to his opinion as am I, and IMO, Mr. Tillman has let his bitterness overwhelm him and his bitterness becomes insulting to the troops fighting bravely against the terrorists and those supporting our tropps, while Mr. Tillman let's off the hook, the real enemy, the people who wish to kill you and me, the islamofascists.

40 posted on 10/21/2006 2:39:57 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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