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Posted on 05/23/2006 4:30:48 PM PDT by blam

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To: blam

Hominids include neanderthals, homo erectus and the like.


21 posted on 05/24/2006 1:40:04 PM PDT by tomzz
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To: blam

:') PreColumbian Central America (including Mexico) shows population peaks three or four times (or more) estimated to exceed those of the postcolumbian era until the 20th century -- followed by collapse. Could be due to the climate cycle (which wouldn't be that surprising), but it could also be an indirect consequence of that same cycle -- IOW, introduction of disease germs from the Mediterranean basin.


22 posted on 05/24/2006 4:32:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Could be due to the climate cycle (which wouldn't be that surprising), but it could also be an indirect consequence of that same cycle "

A regional catastrophe.

Historical Review: Megadrought And Megadeath In 16th Century Mexico (Hemorraghic Fever)

23 posted on 05/24/2006 4:37:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: tomzz
"Hominids include neanderthals, homo erectus and the like."

The oldest human skeleton ever found in the Americas is about 13,000 years old, Arlington Springs Woman, found on an island off the coast of California. There are disputed claims of 40,000 year old fossilized human footprints found in Mexico

A 200,000 Year Old Site In The Americas?

24 posted on 05/24/2006 4:42:31 PM PDT by blam
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To: tomzz
There don't seem to be any hominid remains in the Americas. Any idea as to why?
Just finding PreColumbian human remains is unusual, perhaps due to soil acidity, or because of the methods used (excarnation for example) by the survivors aren't conducive to preservation.

There's also no need (in the Clovis model, or its predecessor) for anyone to look for them since human ingress was purportedly so recent, leading to condemnation as fraud, incompetence, and whatnot anything found that is older. It took Dillehay et al 20 years to have a modest few thousand years of PreClovis time recognized, and that's not even proto-human hominids.
25 posted on 05/24/2006 4:42:33 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: tomzz
There don't seem to be any hominid remains in the Americas.

This statement is incorrect. There are millions of hominid remains in the Americas. Travel to a local cemetary; hominid remains are interred in grounds at such locations every day.
26 posted on 05/24/2006 6:09:08 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: tomzz
There don't seem to be any hominid remains in the Americas. Any idea as to why?

As clarified by a subsequent post: "Hominids include neanderthals, homo erectus and the like."

The reason is they didn't make the trip. They were too early for the various means by which folks got here.

Folks have looked, but no luck. I know somebody who scoured the nether reaches of a very major university basement feeling brow ridges, looking for this very thing. Not there.

27 posted on 05/24/2006 6:25:43 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: Interesting Times

Excellent article. Thanks for the ping. Anyone coming here from Europe would have done better to sail south first, and let the trade winds bring them across. The North Atlantic is a tough passage from Europe against the prevailing wind.


28 posted on 05/24/2006 11:22:22 PM PDT by zot (GWB -- the most slandered man of this decade)
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To: Coyoteman; blam

Perhaps early hominids have not been found (in any quantity) for the same reason pre-clovis material was not found, nobody looked, or were afraid of ridicule. About 15 years ago I was talking with a woman archeologis/anthropologist (?)about ancient remains in the US. She told me of a find in California that might be 300,000 or 350,000 years old. I don't know if it was the same as the 200,000 site mentioned.

An interesting detail about the Chilean site struck me. They mentioned that there was a hut set apart, with medicinal herbs that were analgesic or mildly hallucinogenic. Might this have been an isolation hut for menstruating women and/or childbirth, with painkilling medicine provided? Early Midol?


29 posted on 05/25/2006 1:38:04 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: CobaltBlue

Rumor has it that the scourge of lawnowners everywhere was first brought by the Europeans as a food crop.

The Dandelion.


30 posted on 05/25/2006 1:46:38 AM PDT by djf (Bedtime story: Once upon a time, they snuck on the boat and threw the tea over. In a land far away..)
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To: SunkenCiv

Egpytians mummies containing traces of cocaine and caffeine, it's like a kick in the nuts of established Egyptology.

I saw a doc on it, and the lady scientist who discovered it got a lot of angry letters from fellow archeologists calling her anything from a fraud to just plain stupid.
Even though the findings where verified by at least three other laboratories.


31 posted on 05/25/2006 7:52:04 AM PDT by S0122017
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To: S0122017

:') Yeah, it was pretty heinous.


32 posted on 05/25/2006 8:03:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: gleeaikin
About 15 years ago I was talking with a woman archeologis/anthropologist (?)about ancient remains in the US. She told me of a find in California that might be 300,000 or 350,000 years old.

I have not heard about this; the only thing in the 300,000 range or even close is Calico, and that is still much disputed.

Do you have a name or any other details?

33 posted on 05/25/2006 8:32:27 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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34 posted on 01/18/2010 4:53:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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"About 15 years ago I was talking with a woman archeologis/anthropologist (?)about ancient remains in the US. She told me of a find in California that might be 300,000 or 350,000 years old. I don't know if it was the same as the 200,000 site mentioned. "

Okay, okay...So, I'm a few years late:

Calico: A 200,000-year Old Site In The Americas?

35 posted on 01/18/2010 8:25:14 PM PST by blam
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To: blam; gleeaikin
Okay, okay, almost a month late:
36 posted on 02/15/2010 7:07:20 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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