First Americans

Abotech ^ | 4-26-1999 | Sharon Begley - Andrew Murr

[blam]

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The First Americans

[SunkenCiv]

Revival of an old topic? Seems like there's an old-style one...

[SunkenCiv]

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[CobaltBlue]

I was thinking about this last night.

If people were going back and forth between the Americas and other continents, why weren't any food plants being taken between the continents? Native American plants include maize, beans, pumpkins, squash, tomatoes, peppers, tobacco, potatoes.

As soon as the Europeans showed up after Columbus, they started taking all of these plants all over the world.

But before that, no.

Also, no animals. After Columbus, the following animals were introduced to the Americas: chickens, horses, cows, pigs, goats, sheep. None existed in the Americas before Columbus.

[Monkey Face]

I was wondering how long it would take to find something like this. And just think...in my Home state, too...;o]

And recently, it has been discovered that a type of horse was native here, but for whatever reason, died out. Probably the same catastrophe that took other animals of that period. Perhaps an ice age. They were only REintroduced by the Spaniards. (Of course, if you read any of Velikovsky's works, most of this is answered.)

As for "native" plants, the ones you mentioned, Cobalt, were common in all the Americas. Maize and peppers are known to have existed in Africa and Middle-Eastern countries as far back as there have been written records.

[SunkenCiv]

Quibble. There's no evidence that the horse died out, or that the horse was reintroduced by Coronado's expedition. Evidence would include a post-it note from Coronado, saying, "oh, and we lost a bunch of horses today". Good points regarding PreColumbian plants, and I'd also add the "Cocaine mummies" evidence.

[Monkey Face]

I agree. No argument here. I have a nasty habit of trying to make people see the logic of a statement, however, and that tends to get me into trouble of sorts.

;o]

[elli1]

If people were going back and forth between the Americas and other continents, why weren't any food plants being taken between the continents? Native American plants include maize, beans, pumpkins, squash, tomatoes, peppers, tobacco, potatoes

Wouldn't that indicate there wasn't much, if any, traffic going 'back'?

[SunkenCiv]

Ain't gettin' in trouble what FR is all about? ;')

Sure seems like it some days. :'D

[Question_Assumptions]

The biggest problem will be if the evidence shows that the Siberian Asian ancestors of the current "Native Americans" wiped out a previous population of different ethnicities. I'm all for honoring US treaties and obligations toward the American Indians but hopefully that might put an end to the holier-than-thou attitudes that pretend that the Europeans are the only ones who ever killed anyone for their land.

[Interesting Times]

Ping.

[Monkey Face]

I don't like having my knuckles rapped by the teacher, so I try very hard to stay out of trouble. Some days, I actually succeed!

;o]

[blam]

"If people were going back and forth between the Americas and other continents, why weren't any food plants being taken between the continents? Native American plants include maize, beans, pumpkins, squash, tomatoes, peppers, tobacco, potatoes."

It may be because they would have had to travel for an extended length of time through some seriously cold regions.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Animals would have been hard to transport over long distances.

[blam]

"And recently, it has been discovered that a type of horse was native here, but for whatever reason, died out. "

All the horses in the world are related to the horses of North America. They survived elsewhere but not here.

[Monkey Face]

:o])

[blam]

"The biggest problem will be if the evidence shows that the Siberian Asian ancestors of the current "Native Americans" wiped out a previous population of different ethnicities."

You mean like these people?

Who Were The Si-Te-Cah?

[tomzz]

There don't seem to be any hominid remains in the Americas. Any idea as to why?

[blam]

"There don't seem to be any hominid remains in the Americas. Any idea as to why?"

There are thousands. I'm probably not understanding your question. Care to re-state it?