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1 posted on 02/11/2006 4:44:44 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4
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2 posted on 02/11/2006 4:45:30 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Our enemies act on ecstatic revelations from their god. We act on the advice of lawyers.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Writer seems a lot ambivalent.


4 posted on 02/11/2006 4:48:51 PM PST by Principled
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Since NATO especially Canada, France, Germany, and other weak - knees have signed up for this if they fail where the US succeeded they know that they will become irrelevant to the US in international security so the wise ones will succeed the truly weak will fail and be carried by the others. They all know that the mission cannot be allowed to fail.
5 posted on 02/11/2006 4:50:46 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

A bit over the top, IMHO. These troops don't have to take Afghanistan. No army has done that in a thousand years. The brutal Afghan winter...oh, wait a minute. We did it in six weeks. Never mind.


6 posted on 02/11/2006 4:58:00 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Sometimes you just have to kill all of the inhabitants and salt the fields.


9 posted on 02/11/2006 5:13:42 PM PST by SampleMan
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Kandahar may not end up as the Battle of Stalingrad, but for Islamists that wish to isolate the U.S. from the West, one can see why they would wish to make it so, at least as a metaphor. What is even more interesting is that Europe and Canada have signed up for this test of wills too, knowing in advance how costly their retreat would be.

Hmmmm, this author is pretty doom an gloomy. As has already been pointed out on this thread, the Canadians and Brits have been in country since the kit-go. I don't think they and the Dutch would be walking up to the plate if they didn't have reason to believe they would succeed.....

30 posted on 02/12/2006 4:38:24 AM PST by Decepticon (The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day (NRA)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

We faced down Nazi Germany in England, France, Holland and Italy, we'll face down these losers and win. End of story. The Dutch may pull what they did to us in the Balkans and run off scared but we'll stand our ground and we will succeed. Afghan winters, give me a break, this writer evidently has never been to Edmonton in January.


31 posted on 02/12/2006 8:01:22 AM PST by Ashamed Canadian
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
The author appears to not only be a bit of a douchebag, but is a
poor student of history IMHO.
Canadians may not have participated in every military adventure
of the 19th & 20th century, but the ones we did enter,
we entered early and we stayed til it was over.
I can't recall we ever ran or pulled out before the job was done.
It wasn't us who pulled out of Vietnam, or Beriut, or Somalia, etc, etc.
Maybe the Author is doing some Freudian type projection or
wishful thinking.
32 posted on 02/12/2006 8:01:36 AM PST by CaptainCanada (The Canadian electorate has decided not to perpetuate foolishness)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Pretty hard to take some of these guys who sit with a nice colored political map and pontificate... "I'll have you know, my man, that I was the Phillips Andover undisputed champion at 'Risk' three years running."

I don't expect that the Canadians, Dutch et al will be thrown willy-nilly to the lions. Yes, there will be casualties, but there already have been and the NATO forces know what they're getting in to. they've already taken casualties, even when ISAF was confined to Kabul.

I expect the US will keep the remaining hot areas: Asadabad-Jalalabad-Khost-Gardez and the trouble that used to be in Kandahar but now is in Deh Rawood and that area (but that has to be somewhat pacified if they are going to give the Euros Tarin Kowt), and down on the border around Shkin and Lwara where they can touch off an RPG or IED and skedaddle home to Pakistan.

One thing that has amazed me throughout this war has been the sheer volume and gross inaccuracy of "expertise" being retailed by armchair strategists, wargame buffs, and George A. Custer wannabees (recruiting offices will be open at 8 AM tomorrow, kids).

As far as the Pushtuns are concerned, they are a fascinating and complex people (as are Tajiks and Uzbeks and Qizilbash and especially Hazaras). Like all tribal peoples, personal loyalties and strong leaders mean a lot more than ethnic affinity. Before anybody rags on Pushtuns, I should like to remind you that more than one American breathes life today because of Pushtun honour and the code of Pushtunwali. One of those was the only survivor of a SEAL patrol of four attacked last year; the one where the quick reaction force's helicopter was shot down. You all must have read the stories of how a villager took in and harboured the American.

Several of the key figures in the government (starting with the President) are Pashtun, and each reorganization seems to bring in a few more. Many of the most gifted officers in the Army (some of whom were mujahideen, and some who served the Soviets) are Pushtun (so are many of the best officers in Pakistan). A preponderance of Afghan-Americans are Pashtun, and let me tell you, sympathy for the Taliban and Hekmatayer in that group is vanishingly small.

By now, many people have been to Afghanistan, some have been back many times. You'll understand the Pushtun more by reading Kipling than by reading this guy's blog. My opinion, make of it what you will.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F


33 posted on 02/12/2006 6:15:09 PM PST by Criminal Number 18F
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
In 2003 elements of the 1st Battalion of the British Princess of Wales's Royal Regiment charged a large group of insurgents in Iraq and killed or captured over 100 of them without taking any casualties themselves.

Guys from outfits like the Royal Highland Fusiliers and the Canadian Black Watch are going to go through muj pukes like a hot knife through butter.

36 posted on 02/12/2006 7:34:50 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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