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Thanks...I was not really sure if I had made myself clear or not...glad you understood what I was trying to say...you are certainly not alone, I read all you write...actually, I do read the posts of everyone, and then have to make the decision as to ponder it further or simply discard it, as often its nothing but a lot of blathering and namecalling, and adds nothing of value to the discussion...(I am sure you know of what I am speaking)

What does disturb me is that even the definition of what a lie is or is not, seems to be redefined on these threads...its as if sometimes, the matter of the lie, the fact of the lie is not as important, as why the lie was put forth in the first place...that seems twisted and wrong, in and of itself...there are times, I suppose, when lying is warranted(such as saving someones life, by lying to a 'deranged' husband, about his wifes whereabouts)...but it seems that lying on these types of threads would necessarily be a fruitless endeavour...because eventually the lie is found out, and then one would be forever branded as a liar, no matter what they say in the future...

Anyway, I was glad that you brought up Jim Jones, and his relation to the Bible, as I found it a very good illustration of the point you were making...all the more so, as I have some small knowledge of what this screwball did in my relatives home town, knowledge from my relatives from their first hand experience...