"I thought that it was actually possible to discuss things with them rationally"
LOL! It's time to let it go. Seriously, they aren't worth it. They add nothing to the debate. Just don't even bother anymore, you know their game plan, it's all Bush's fault, no matter what. I have a sil who's a rabid lib, we've stopped talking. It's just not worth brain cells to think about liberals.
Point taken.
BTW, I've been checking out your FReep page. Please thank your daughter on my behalf for her service in Iraq. Our brave men and women kick some serious butt over there!