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To: HopefulPatriot
Amazing!

All you have asked of anybody is to signify agreement with your stated political priniciples (principles that embody the spirit of Constitutionally based conservatism) and people have responded as if there were strange noises in the attic.

All you need to do now is ask people to admit that they like chocolate, sex and beer and you will be officially designated a minion of satan.

131 posted on 11/10/2005 7:06:58 PM PST by TigersEye (Paranoia rules.)
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To: TigersEye
It is one of the reasons that liberals have been able to dominate politics for decades. Conservatives are not joiners and are natural skeptics. Conservatives are independent. Liberals are much more likely to herd and feel the need or to have a need to be able to depend on someone to make up for their feelings of inadequacy or to tell them what to think.

It sure makes it harder to rally the troops in an effort to dig our way out of the hole.

Ping your friends and ask them to take The Pledge.

132 posted on 11/10/2005 8:26:41 PM PST by HopefulPatriot
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To: TigersEye; steve50; JohnGalt; fporretto; George Frm Br00klyn Park; tacticalogic; VoodooEconomist; ..
"Amazing! All you have asked of anybody is to signify agreement with your stated political priniciples (principles that embody the spirit of Constitutionally based conservatism) and people have responded as if there were strange noises in the attic."

Your comment started me thinking about the contrasts in our country before Woodrow Wilson set the stage for socialism starting in 1912 and what our country is like now since socialism has become the dominant segment of government, accounting for more than 60% of total spending and poised to grow exponentially in less than a decade.

It occurred to me that the Founders would find our "Pledge of Allegiance" repugnant. The Founders pledged their lives, their sacred honor, and their fortunes to freedom and the empowerment of the individual, a philosophy completely at odds with today's "Amerika". What follows are some excerpts from a Google search of "pledge of allegiance":

The Pledge of Allegiance
A Short History

Copyright 1992 by Dr. John W. Baer

Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all.

The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his Baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

See also www.PledgeQandA.com: "Socialism" is usually defined as "government ownership and control of the means of production" (the means of production are often defined as "land, labor, capital, and entrepreneurship"). Many people broaden this definition to include "government redistribution of income and/or wealth."

Does this conjure up visions of Karl Marx or little parading Nazi youths in your mind? Perhaps you should consider taking our Pledge before its too late.

134 posted on 11/11/2005 7:25:12 AM PST by HopefulPatriot
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