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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: NicknamedBob

LOL, sounds rather amicable.
(Did you try to get pics? Our 'little girl' stayed still for a few pics.)


5,781 posted on 08/26/2005 4:56:59 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Darksheare

Yah...I can imagine that, alright! LOL!


5,782 posted on 08/26/2005 4:57:28 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face; Darksheare; NicknamedBob

Hello.


5,783 posted on 08/26/2005 4:59:03 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: tuliptree76

Hi, there! Long time no see!

;o]


5,784 posted on 08/26/2005 5:02:00 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Darksheare; Monkey Face; fanfan; tuliptree76

Ah, well. This was quite a few years ago, a happenstance meeting. I had no camera.

We may have met again once or twice. I've moved a few terrapins further along when I see them crossing the road.

The turtle didn't seem to mind that most of the berries were out of its reach; all the ones it found were very ripe!


5,785 posted on 08/26/2005 5:02:33 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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To: Monkey Face

Oh she was pasting him to the creek bottom, the mud, the rocks, the creek banks.

She decimated the local duck population too.


5,786 posted on 08/26/2005 5:03:20 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Monkey Face

Hello, folks!

Hope your days this week have been better than mine.

Spent wednesday afternoon in ER because I was having chest pain (the same old biliary colic, but I was scared it was cardiac instead), then on my birthday yesterday, I was too drugged up from my pain meds to do anything of the things I really wanted, and slept all afternoon, and then found out my (expletive wishing it could put foot to fanny) son got this huge cross tattoo on his upper arm without permission (in fact, he had been told point blank not to do it), but he justified it in his own head as a tribute to his dead birthmom and sister, and although I would like to give him his inheritance today and kick him out, at the same time, he's not ready for that...

And my hubby's getting really depressed. I think his bp medication is causing him some cognitive difficulty, like they do sometimes. He goes and talks with his doctor Monday afternoon.

I feel like I'm living a soap opera.


5,787 posted on 08/26/2005 5:03:20 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: tuliptree76

Hello!


5,788 posted on 08/26/2005 5:03:49 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: NicknamedBob

I moved a baby snapper out of teh road and released it in teh creek.
The little mite (only three inches shell length) looked bakc at me like I was insane.
Then he motored off to the creek bottom.


5,789 posted on 08/26/2005 5:05:08 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Ohno...I'm sure sorry you've got so much to deal with right now. That really sucks. I hope things improve for you soon! I'll keep you in my prayers.


5,790 posted on 08/26/2005 5:07:54 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Darksheare

Awwwww>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


5,791 posted on 08/26/2005 5:08:35 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: Monkey Face

And son is sneaking cigarettes again...thinks I can't tell it.


5,792 posted on 08/26/2005 5:09:47 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

I'm sorry about that KAC. Happy belated birthday.


5,793 posted on 08/26/2005 5:10:48 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Hang in there, Doll. I'm with you, even if I'm not with you.


5,794 posted on 08/26/2005 5:11:28 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: tuliptree76

I am getting ready to get a calender to count out the months...


5,795 posted on 08/26/2005 5:11:52 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Darksheare; NicknamedBob
...shooting it THROUGH a cascade of cheese and gravy...

Of course there would be a scatter shield to prevent bystanders being likewise coated. This is, after all, an exercise in showy food prep, not Shamu the killer whale. No need to soak the first six rows of obeservers.

...the mechanism extrudes a fully cooked food item ...

Uh, I typically refrain from use of the word "extrude" in reference to edibles. BAD visuals.

For instantaneous food generation I prefer to strike a plasma and condense out the required atomic structures from metered quantities of select elemental and compound gasses in a manner quite similar to chemical vapor deposition. Think of it like a semiconductor wafer fab tool exalted to a fintitely broad selection of recipes for edible foodstuffs.

5,796 posted on 08/26/2005 5:15:05 PM PDT by HKMk23 ('Re you gonna eat that?)
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To: Monkey Face

Took him a bit to get the message that he had to stay out of the road, I rescued him twice, but he has taken residence further down stream away from teh road.


5,797 posted on 08/26/2005 5:16:45 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Darksheare

Well, that's good, then. At least you talked some sense into him!


5,798 posted on 08/26/2005 5:21:09 PM PDT by Monkey Face (If love is blind, why is lingerie so popular?)
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To: HKMk23; NicknamedBob

Something like an atomic fast prototyper.




But I liked the high pressure windtube railgun combo potato launcher.


5,799 posted on 08/26/2005 5:25:02 PM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Darksheare
"... I liked the high pressure windtube railgun combo potato launcher"

Sadly, that may never be a practical way to prepare food.

But I'm betting Gallagher would buy it.

5,800 posted on 08/26/2005 5:28:49 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I am impervious to insult, being extraordinarily dense, rather like Superman.)
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