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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: tiamat

You can't get it? The site is running slow, but you must see it!


5,461 posted on 08/24/2005 11:28:30 AM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: tiamat; Lady Jag

RENO 911 take off on live action RPG.
Looks like some horrible thing I'd do, actually.

Which part of it?
All of it.
(Would have been better if the cop had rolled a D20 first.)


5,462 posted on 08/24/2005 11:28:46 AM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Lady Jag

Hey Lady J!

Got it to work....
Godz, but that's painful.

thanks.


5,463 posted on 08/24/2005 11:29:36 AM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: Lady Jag



I definitely need ot defuzzle.

What popped into my head when I read that?

"Mongoose, it was an armadillo!"


5,464 posted on 08/24/2005 11:30:15 AM PDT by Darksheare (There is a Possum in the works.)
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To: Lady Jag

nope. it's a fanfilm Star Wars parody, possibly the best ever, spoofing TV's "COPS" by following the activities of a small detachment of Imperial Stormtroopers on Tattooine.

it is PERFECT.

"TROOPS... All suspects appearing on this program are guilty. Period."


5,465 posted on 08/24/2005 11:32:07 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Dawsonville_Doc

ehWHAAAA???


5,466 posted on 08/24/2005 11:32:53 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Lady Jag
"I'm wearing 'boots of escaping!'"

[BLAM!]

5,467 posted on 08/24/2005 11:36:17 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: King Prout
Ok, this is what I heard.
Carrier is out doing what carriers do (project power, demand respect) when they learn that a spy satellite will be flying overhead, probably taking shots of them. Captain knows he has some SCA heavy fighters on board, announces over intercom for all SCA heavies to report to the flight deck in full battle gear for fighter practice just when the satellite is overhead...
The Russians couldn't for their lives figure out what all these guys in leather armor and steel helmets were doing on an aircraft carrier, fighting with swords...
5,468 posted on 08/24/2005 11:37:51 AM PDT by Dawsonville_Doc (Moving to NC as fast as I can...)
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To: Dawsonville_Doc

um... great prank, I'd believe it if I wasn't fairly certain there isn't "officially" space on a carrier for such bulky personal gear.


5,469 posted on 08/24/2005 11:43:27 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: mhking

do you have a link to "TROOPS"?


5,470 posted on 08/24/2005 11:44:05 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Darksheare

D20, is that anything like WD40?


5,471 posted on 08/24/2005 11:45:19 AM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: Lady Jag; King Prout
"TROOPS", is that the one where the guys run around singing in their underwear?

No, it's a Star Wars take off on COPS, complete with opening credits.

The TROOPS zip file is 30 megs deep, but worth every bit of time you take to download it. Do yourself a favor -- go get it.

"All suspects are guilty. Period! Otherwise they wouldn't be suspects..."

5,472 posted on 08/24/2005 11:45:41 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: tiamat

He never felt a thing. Now he's got a great adventure to relate to his D&D friends.


5,473 posted on 08/24/2005 11:46:40 AM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: King Prout

http://theforce.net/fanfilms/shortfilms/troops/


5,474 posted on 08/24/2005 11:48:24 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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To: Darksheare
What popped into my head when I read that? "Mongoose, it was an armadillo!"

Ooh, that's much more sophisticated than my simple thought processes! I can't play with words in French.

5,475 posted on 08/24/2005 11:49:08 AM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: King Prout

"TROOPS", if you find a link, please think of me. I haven't seen it.


5,476 posted on 08/24/2005 11:50:39 AM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: mhking; All; yall

thanks, Mike!

All,
gotta take Droog to the vet.
cya later


5,477 posted on 08/24/2005 11:50:55 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: mhking; All

Gack.

thanks for the link ( I think)

Kid is playing "Lego Star Wars" on the PS2 with her Dad.

Ever done that?

(And don't be shy anyone else who has played that)


5,478 posted on 08/24/2005 11:51:35 AM PDT by tiamat ("If some guy named Marduk calls, tell him I'm not home! ")
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To: mhking
"I'm wearing 'boots of escaping!'" [BLAM!]

What a great ending! It's my favorite part. And he never quit his role, all the way into the cop car.

5,479 posted on 08/24/2005 11:52:14 AM PDT by Lady Jag (The Goat-Vendor of Hamelin, and Expounder of Troll Logic)
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To: tiamat

Haven't picked it up yet - I'm looking forward to it though (especially since finding out you can kill Jar-Jar Binks)...


5,480 posted on 08/24/2005 11:55:21 AM PDT by mhking (The world needs a wake up call gentlemen...we're gonna phone it in.)
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