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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Tax-chick

"I beg your pardon, Mr. Smith? I am the Original, Unadulterated, Polysyllabic, Multiparous, Redneck Tax-chick ... Wench-wrangler for Laundresses, Dishwashers and Nursery-maids, Executive Secretary to the Weatherman ... Notorious Nuclear Niceness Nazi, Bearer of the Dread Words of Power, "Bless your bowels, honey!" (Wal-mart had capital letters on sale.)"

Wow. I'm in awe. I copied this paragraph to my Undead Rules file, because I know if I have even one drink, I will not be able to say the whole thing from start to finish without messing it up. Wow.

:-0


4,481 posted on 08/20/2005 7:21:28 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Don't forget the eyemask and the "white noise" machine to induce a nice, deep REM sleep.


4,482 posted on 08/20/2005 7:21:49 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: SandyInSeattle

Homeschool. We've actually been doing remedial math all summer (you might have heard the moaning ...), but since the local public schools start next week, we'll start keeping attendance for the state on Monday.

We'll shop for clothes at the clearance sales in November! It was 103 today - I'm supposed to buy fall clothes?


4,483 posted on 08/20/2005 7:22:01 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Monkey Face

Hah! Now you know ...

See y'all - it's bedtime, Eastern.


4,484 posted on 08/20/2005 7:23:41 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: nopardons

I loathe and detest stupidity in all its forms...

He has no clue that we have his very existence on our keyboards...;o]


4,485 posted on 08/20/2005 7:23:54 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Tax-chick

Take ot from me, THERE WAS NO MEMO! As the QUEEN MUM, I would have gotten one and I didn't.


4,486 posted on 08/20/2005 7:24:13 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: tuliptree76

Did you get the memo? I'll get a copy of that memo for ya...


4,487 posted on 08/20/2005 7:24:27 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Tax-chick

Take it from me, THERE WAS NO MEMO! As the QUEEN MUM, I would have gotten one and I didn't.


4,488 posted on 08/20/2005 7:24:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Tax-chick

Take care, TC, and don't be too hard on the kids, Monday...

XO to all of you.


4,489 posted on 08/20/2005 7:24:43 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: nopardons

That makes me feel better. When the children get to the mail before I do, that's it ... I never get the memo ... or the electric bill ... or the church newsletter ...


4,490 posted on 08/20/2005 7:25:21 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Yes, I got the memo. It's right here...

;-)


4,491 posted on 08/20/2005 7:25:40 PM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Tax-chick

G'night.


4,492 posted on 08/20/2005 7:25:46 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Monkey Face

Thanks! Everyone's asleep, or they'd XO back :-).


4,493 posted on 08/20/2005 7:26:00 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Tax-chick

Bless you for homeschooling.

I do not possess the patience to homeschool my teen for more than ten minutes, and she doesn't have the patience to listen to me for more than five. So there we are.

I have a plan for next year... we decide how much to spend, load a debit card with that amount, and launch her. She can shop the sales and make a good haul, or shop her trendy stores and get three outfits. Either way, that's all she gets. She'll be 17, so I'm thinking she's old enough to do it her own darn self. Why should I sign up for torture?


4,494 posted on 08/20/2005 7:26:03 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Army Air Corps; SandyInSeattle

She gets a white noise machine? SHE does? Where's mine?





Oh. That's right...she's the Landscaper...nevermind.

*slouching away*


4,495 posted on 08/20/2005 7:26:49 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Army Air Corps

Here, have a strawberry tart and some champagne. There was no memo, none at all! The n00b is just delusional. Perhaps he'd enjoy a stay in the royal dungeons. hehehehehehehehe


4,496 posted on 08/20/2005 7:27:03 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Tax-chick

Good night!


4,497 posted on 08/20/2005 7:27:42 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Tax-chick

:o]


4,498 posted on 08/20/2005 7:27:59 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: SandyInSeattle

That's a great idea. I've been giving my 14-year-old my clothes as I "expand" out of them :-).

I don't have a lot of patience, and neither does Anoreth, so we stomp and fluff and occasionally shriek, and somehow we've made it to the 9th grade. It's not just an adventure, it's a job ...


4,499 posted on 08/20/2005 7:28:19 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: tuliptree76

Doin' fine and happy to hear that you are too. :-)


4,500 posted on 08/20/2005 7:28:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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