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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: Conspiracy Guy

Boys got the kitchen done. Now we can start talking about colors for the rest of the rooms :-). After the garage is cleaned. In fact, it might make sense to put a coat of washable white on the garage walls, before it gets dirty again.


4,201 posted on 08/20/2005 9:10:32 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: demkicker

Welcome to UT III...when you reach this post, let us know...we'll give you a tour of the castle. ;o]


4,202 posted on 08/20/2005 9:11:21 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: tuliptree76

yeah... years ago, while helping Doc set some crap up in the office, I picked up this odd spoonish metal instrument and asked "What the hell is this?"
She replied "It's a cooter-plow."
I looked at her, uncomprehending.
"A speculum," she says, wondering if her youngest child might, in fact, be a retard.
I continued looking at her, still uncomprehending.
She sighed, shook her head, then made illustrative hand gestures in front of her groin, accompanied by a vulgar and hideous sound effect.
I suddenly understood, and dropped the vile implement with an "UGH!" of profound ickytude.


4,203 posted on 08/20/2005 9:11:27 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

I put a few pictures up when I moved in. But some of my walls still are bare. I didn't want to make many holes in the walls, and tape doesn't hold pictures up well. Plus, I don't really have much to hang up.


4,204 posted on 08/20/2005 9:11:32 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

enjoy!


4,205 posted on 08/20/2005 9:12:19 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

I read them...I should not have gone to bed when I did last night...dang...


4,206 posted on 08/20/2005 9:12:40 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: King Prout

ROFLOL!

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ROFLOL!

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Oh, my sides hurt now.


4,207 posted on 08/20/2005 9:13:43 AM PDT by tuliptree76 (I'm sailing on the wide accountancy.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

I really liked the photos of your house...very NICE! :o]


4,208 posted on 08/20/2005 9:14:59 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: tuliptree76

I *do* come from somewhere, after all.


4,209 posted on 08/20/2005 9:16:05 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Rugged but tender hearted.


4,210 posted on 08/20/2005 9:20:56 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Stepped out the back door this morning and instantly had my eye lids welded to my eye balls.


4,211 posted on 08/20/2005 9:22:16 AM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: TASMANIANRED

evil yellowface?


4,212 posted on 08/20/2005 9:27:16 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: King Prout

LOL. Thanks.
I hate liars, and I hate trolls.

Feeling OK today?


4,213 posted on 08/20/2005 9:34:06 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: King Prout

LOL.


4,214 posted on 08/20/2005 9:42:12 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Monkey Face

Good post!

And you got 4200 as well. Congrats!


4,215 posted on 08/20/2005 9:43:19 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: fanfan

actually, today -aside from still clearing my lungs and the usual discomforts of re-starting my digestive system with real food- I feel approximately normal.


4,216 posted on 08/20/2005 9:44:35 AM PDT by King Prout (and the Clinton Legacy continues: like Herpes, it is a gift that keeps on giving.)
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To: fanfan

Thanks!
How did the party go last night? And are you still a little blue?


4,217 posted on 08/20/2005 9:44:40 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: TASMANIANRED

Good morning.

How are the girls? I was thinking of them when I was lying in bed last night...in the dark, all by myself, and I see two rambunctious Labs frolicking in my brain, and burst out laughing! LOL!


4,218 posted on 08/20/2005 9:48:32 AM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: King Prout

Good. Glad to hear it.


4,219 posted on 08/20/2005 9:49:31 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Monkey Face

Her party went well, even with no music, and a smokey basement.

I'm trying not to think about it too much till Monday.
We are going out tomorrow to buy the perishables, and will start loading up the car Sunday night.

It was really funny a few weeks ago.....she had made a list of the things she thought she would need, and then I added about 40 items to it....She was impressed, and suprised she hadn't thought of them. Salt and pepper, soya sauce, toilet bowl cleaner, windex, paper towel,...you know, all those things that are 'just there' at Mom and Dad's house. LOL

What are you up to today?


4,220 posted on 08/20/2005 9:57:46 AM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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