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Potential Republican Crack-Up

Posted on 07/31/2005 1:19:25 PM PDT by KMB

For the past 20 years, there's been a discussion in political circles and the media about the "fault lines" in the Republican party over the hot-button social issues such as the death penalty, abortion, affirmative action and gay rights.

The presumption has always been that these issues would ultimately cause a rift between conservatives and moderates that would split the Republican coalition. The pundits and the MSM have been expecting and predicting this split for as long as I've been watching politics and they've been puzzled by the fact that it has never occurred.

I believe that the reason that it hasn't occurred is that the underlying assumptions are wrong. There are no "moderate" Republicans. I think Republicans are almost all conservative. Today, there are no Republicans left who are philosophically in line with Nelson Rockefeller, John Anderson, Lowell Weicker or Mark Hatfield. I know that this line of reasoning may be challenged by the Maine & Rhode Island Republican senators but the Republicans in those states (who vote Republican in presidential elections) are conservatives. The New England Republican Senators get elected by appealing to Democrats in overwhelmingly Democratic states.

There were approximately 62 million people who voted for GW Bush in 2004. I believe that probably 61.5 million of those people (1) support the death penalty (2) oppose affirmative action and (3) oppose gay marriage. I also believe that an equally high percentage of Bush voters (even those who are pro-choice) believe that the Roe v. Wade case was a hideous decision.

Pro-choice Republicans also are aware of the dirty little secret of the abortion debate -- which is that even if Roe v. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would probably be no effect... There are probably no more than 7 - 9 states where abortion would actually be outlawed and there are currently few (or no) abortion doctors practicing in those states today anyway. Overall, the number of abortions occurring in the next ten years would only be affected by 1% or less if Roe v. Wade were reversed.

So this is, I believe, why the Republican coalition never cracked or splintered. It has confounded and infuriated the opposition but the Republican coalition really never had the fault lines that so many people thought it had.

However, I now think that one may be developing. The impending divisions in the Republican party won't be "moderate" vs. "conservative". It will be "evangelical conservative" vs. "non evangelical conservative". The issues that cause the breach won't be abortion, the death penalty, gay marriage or affirmative action. Instead the divisions will be caused over: (1) stem cell research, (2) evolution and (3) the Terri Schiavo case.

I think that 25 years from now, we'll all look back on the Terri Schiavo case as a cataclysmic event in American politics. There were tens of millions of people who looked at the pictures of Terri Schiavo and thought just one thing: "My god, if that ever happens to me, pull the plug, stop the feeding or do whatever it takes to finish me off."

At the time many Republican leaders spoke of the fact that this was a unique case but the tone of the debate both in and out of the media was that this was essentially a first step.

I remember that pro-Brady Bill and pro-Assault weapons ban politicians repeatedly assured the public that this wouldn't mean banning guns while activists and media pundits indicated that this was a first step towards doing so.

With the Terri Schiavo case, activists -- evangelicals --similarly didn't view this as a unique case but as a first step towards preventing feeding tube or life support removal in any case regardless of living wills or not.

This had an effect on non-evangelical Republicans or "secular Republicans" . . . By itself, I don't think that it would be enough to cause a breach but this isn't just one issue. The other issues that are occurring at the same time are an inexplicable renewed debate over evolution and the stem cell research debate.

With regard to the former, there's no polite or nice way to put it so I'll just be direct. People who believe in evolution think that people who don't believe in evolution are idiots -- pure and simple. The perception that an evolution believer has of a non-evolution believer is of a person saying, "Duh, my grandfather wasn't no ape."

Secular Republicans look at people who publicly discuss their doubts about evolution and who don't want it taught in public schools with utter disgust.

With regard to stem cell research, secular Republicans are excited at the prospects and supportive of practically any scientific research and they simmer at the thought of obstruction of research on religious grounds.

These three issues: evolution, Terri Schiavo and stem cell research are close to causing (or may have already caused) an irrepairable breach in the Republican coalition.

I'm a conservative. I believed in a 2nd war against in Iraq to remove the regime of Saddam Hussein as early as 1998. I also believe in making the '01 & '03 tax cuts permanent; drilling in anwar; that members of al Qaeda who are captured are illegal soldiers and not entitled to due process. I believe in progressive indexing of SS benefits, support the confirmation of John Roberts, think Antonin Scalia is the ideal justice and favor ballistic missile defense.

I also support the death penalty, oppose affirmative action, oppose gay marriage and think that the Roe v. Wade decision was a farce. I could go on but the point is made -- I'm a conservative....

But, I also accept the truth that the human species has a pre-history and I support stem cell research and I think that keeping Terri Schiavo's existance without life going was cruel and sadistic. That feeding tube should've never been inserted 14 years ago.

As a result of all of this, I now find myself in a position that I would have never dreamed of 5 or 10 years ago which is that I object to Hillary Clinton far, far less than I object to Tom Delay. Or Rick Santorum. Or Sam Brownback. Or Tom Tancredi.

Hopefully, Rudy Guiliani will be the nominee in '08 and make this all a moot point but if he isn't then I'm confronted with the possibility that I'll probably vote for Hillary Clinton despite the fact that she stands against so much that I believe in.

If there are others like me out there, and I think there are, then get ready for a 2nd Clinton Administration.


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To: TASMANIANRED

I have a mental pic of both those dogs in action, and it's pretty funny from where I sit!


4,001 posted on 08/19/2005 4:14:41 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Tax-chick

GOOD ONE!!!


4,002 posted on 08/19/2005 4:15:01 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

I didn't even notice!


4,003 posted on 08/19/2005 4:15:26 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Tax-chick

You're getting pretty good at that! LOL!


4,004 posted on 08/19/2005 4:16:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

Clean living!


4,005 posted on 08/19/2005 4:16:32 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Monkey Face

Kitten update!

My big orange dude, Tomas, has decided to allow the kittens to share his food. This is a major concession!

A couple of days ago, however, he wasn't so willing. Tori came over and stuck her face in his bowl while he was eating a couple of days ago. I watched to see how he'd react, and he just sat there, staring at her, then reached over and lightly tapped her on top of the head. No hissing, just a tap.

Now they're best food-sharing buddies.


4,006 posted on 08/19/2005 4:17:31 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Tax-chick

LOL!

Hey! Have you been watching the progress of the Pope at the World Youth thingy in Germany? He's almost as big a hit as John Paul was.


4,007 posted on 08/19/2005 4:18:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: TASMANIANRED

yeah...

not a big deal. it did make me mad for a minute, but then I decided to have some fun with it....


4,008 posted on 08/19/2005 4:18:51 PM PDT by MikefromOhio
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To: SandyInSeattle

LOL!

That's funny! Just a pop to let her know who is boss! Cool!


4,009 posted on 08/19/2005 4:19:26 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

We're getting reports from a FReeper who's there. I'll have to check later to see if there's another one.

Pope Benedict is a real cutie!


4,010 posted on 08/19/2005 4:22:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: Monkey Face

Yep, that's what it was. Just letting her know who the alpha cat is. :-)


4,011 posted on 08/19/2005 4:22:51 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: Tax-chick

I've been following it on Deutsche Welle TV at night. The coverage is, obviously, quite good.


4,012 posted on 08/19/2005 4:23:53 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Monkey Face

I would think so! Hometown boy hits the big time!


4,013 posted on 08/19/2005 4:24:33 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Officially around the bend, at least for now.)
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To: SandyInSeattle

I have no clue what Hobbes would do if I introduced her to another cat. One that was here to stay, anyway. She is so used to being by herself.


4,014 posted on 08/19/2005 4:25:02 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: Laura Earl; Conspiracy Guy

Hi Laura.

You two are such a neat couple.

My husband lurks, but won't post. :-(


4,015 posted on 08/19/2005 4:25:57 PM PDT by fanfan (" The liberal party is not corrupt " Prime Minister Paul Martin)
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To: Tax-chick

Yes, that was the impression I got, but it is really quite thorough, in that it has a lot of what the kids are doing, and what their days are like.


4,016 posted on 08/19/2005 4:26:04 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: fanfan

Hiya, Mr. fanfan!

*shakes head* (Why do you remind me of Kilroy?)


4,017 posted on 08/19/2005 4:27:09 PM PDT by Monkey Face (Can I have your beets?)
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To: TASMANIANRED; Monkey Face

July 7, 2005:
Just when you thought it was safe to read your email....

There's a rumor about Mars going around the internet. Here are some snippets from a widely-circulated email message:

"The Red Planet is about to be spectacular."

"Earth is catching up with Mars [for] the closest approach between the two planets in recorded history."

"On August 27th … Mars will look as large as the full moon."

And finally, "NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN."

Only the first sentence is true. The Red Planet is about to be spectacular. The rest is a hoax.

Here are the facts: Earth and Mars are converging for a close encounter this year on October 30th at 0319 Universal Time. Distance: 69 million kilometers. To the unaided eye, Mars will look like a bright red star, a pinprick of light, certainly not as wide as the full Moon.

Disappointed? Don't be. If Mars did come close enough to rival the Moon, its gravity would alter Earth's orbit and raise terrible tides.

Sixty-nine million km is good. At that distance, Mars shines brighter than anything else in the sky except the Sun, the Moon and Venus. The visual magnitude of Mars on Oct. 30, 2005, will be -2.3. Even inattentive sky watchers will notice it, rising at sundown and soaring overhead at midnight.

You might remember another encounter with Mars, about two years ago, on August 27, 2003. That was the closest in recorded history, by a whisker, and millions of people watched as the distance between Mars and Earth shrunk to 56 million km. This October's encounter, at 69 million km, is similar. To casual observers, Mars will seem about as bright and beautiful in 2005 as it was in 2003.

4,018 posted on 08/19/2005 4:30:11 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (Mighty and enduring? They are but toys of the moment to be overturned by the flicking of a finger.)
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To: Monkey Face

I watched a lunar eclipse through da'scope a couple of summers ago.

I can't keep all those specks of light straight.


4,019 posted on 08/19/2005 4:31:33 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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To: Tax-chick

I've had really good luck with them.

I have one of those nasty fiberglass tubs with a texture to it.

I scrubbed with every chemical known to man and couldn't get rid of the dingy look.

Magic eraser worked.


4,020 posted on 08/19/2005 4:33:10 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (Conservatives are from Earth. Liberals are from Uranus.(c))
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